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Geoff, on Aug 10 2008 08:41:19 PM wrote: The articles in this mag are generally amusing rants and not really meant to be taken that seriously. I fucking hate pet owners and that is how I found this site because some fat prick walking a dog the size of a camel on the city street outside pissed me off and I browsed for pet haters on the web. But - why are there so many racist comments? Bigot scum. 
Subject: evolution definitionDate: May 13 2006 11:25:02 AM Author: charles lyle evolution = change in allele frequency that can be inherited over time. we adapt to our environment and the one's that couldn't adapt die out. So I guess Hitler was right to kill all the handicapped, crippled, jewish, chinese, blacks, because he was just helping evolution move a little quicker... GO EVOLUTION!! Subject: face Date: Feb 06 2006 10:47:01 PM Author: This is a bum bum of a comments page Hello. Everyone is a bum head. And a Franklin Costa is a bum head too. Sharks are gay. Darwins gay. Bums are gay. Comments are funny and gay. GAY is a good word. Subject: . Date: Dec 11 2005 10:28:32 PM Author: . this is fucking retarded. evolution=crazy mutation. if it doesnt work. it dies. if it works, it takes over cuz everything else is dead. this article is a waist of good space Subject: natural selection doesn't exist Date: Nov 21 2005 09:13:04 PM Author: Johnny if natural selection was in practice, then morons like this would have been hit by a bus by now. do your reasearch.. don't just look at something and think "it doesn't make sense to me, so it's stupid." the hammerhead of the shark has many functions.. and being that sharks have been around for millions of years.. and have always have records of "weird bone structures", obviously something right is going on. Subject: you're still an idiot Date: Nov 14 2005 01:30:49 PM Author: You're an idiot Any functional retard who took high school biology knows how evolution works. I can't believe you dedicated a whole fucking article to this shit. Shame on you, Vice. Subject: haha. Date: Nov 11 2005 03:31:33 PM Author: A Lady Hipsters - who will deny their hipness until the end of time even though they hang out with the likes of Natasha Lyonne and Johnny Knoxville - trying to argue science to another bunch of hip idiots. This magazine is a sad, sad waste of resources and talent. I used to think I wanted to intern for this mag, but why? So they can tell me to use racial slurs in my work? So they can try to get either myself or my friends naked in their "fashion layouts", which are basically just poser art soft porn? So they can try to convince me that being a hateful motherfucker is way cooler than being true to the things you believe? So they can throw parties where all the booze is expensive and all the girls are models, then go to ABC No Rio and talk about how smelly and crowded it is? SHUT. THE FUCK. UP. YOU. DISGUSTING. EXCUSE. FOR A. JOURNALIST. Subject: darwin's right Date: Sep 26 2005 07:59:21 PM Author: aaron Franklin- Part of his theory was that totally random mutations happened. Most mutations are harmful and usually fatal. Some random mutations actually helped every now and then, this led to more reproduction by the mutated animal and eventually more and more become mutated, breed more and at some point they will breed exclusively among the mutants, and that's evolution. He believed in random, just like you. Except you're a fucking idiot. Subject: full stop here Date: Sep 26 2005 01:05:52 PM Author: end the story well, i am waiting for the next issue. Subject: Yea Bitch Bite my extention Date: Sep 26 2005 12:49:47 PM Author: C.Darwin I was going to give a disertation on Evolution, but this fellow put it most clearly: ALMOST none of you people have your facts straight. Vice is a fashion magazine with a brilliant formula that sucks all of us assholes in. Evolution by natural selection is fundamental to our understanding of our world whether the unschooled masses realize it or not. This author's probably a cokehead. Screw Vice and Gavin and Shoo Roosh for being manipulative, successful, neocon hypocrites. Screw all of you for reading this crap. Screw me for reading it, too, and wasting my time letting you know how I feel. We all suck Charles Darwin's dead, leathery gamete pumps. I concure, Bitch! C.Darwin Subject: ntelligent designer Date: Sep 26 2005 06:21:27 AM Author: ' if intelligent des-signer eveything in da this freaky universe so include an idiots, u me..time.so on..to balance evything in this whole planet? Subject: Darwin-a-rama Date: Sep 26 2005 02:20:18 AM Author: Chucky Cheese Reading all the responses below this, I must say the reactions here are the best argument I have yet to find against the concept of "Intelligent Design." A truly intelligent designer would not have created so many idiots, both for and against Darwinian theory. Subject: uhhh Date: Sep 21 2005 08:15:23 PM Author: kelly whoever wrote this article didn't know what the fuck they were talking about. in everything they said, they just solidified darwin's theories and adhered to the ideas of natural selection. you just bitched about nothing. Subject: freebase Date: Sep 21 2005 01:10:17 AM Author: freebase why does everyone think it's cool to know who the bosses of vice are? do people writing into the new york times mention who ever the fuck rich jew owns that in every fucking letter? Subject: freebase Date: Sep 21 2005 12:34:51 AM Author: freebase i just want to point out that the author never said anything bad about evolution by natural selection. he pointed out that the mechanisms may be interspecies or in other ways more complex. oh. hating vice is another trap the makers of vice want you to fall for. haha Subject: stephen jay gould Date: Sep 19 2005 09:27:40 AM Author: papazano check him out - stephen jay gould Subject: sans Date: Sep 16 2005 10:44:42 PM Author: franz wouldn't be a debate without 'the bitter jew' its like 'dude... get the fuck over the whole eradication thing' - you totally bore me and im starting to see where hitler was coming from' Subject: dumb Date: Sep 16 2005 09:30:12 AM Author: mike this article is dumb the comments are dumb why does everything in this magazine have to mention jews at some point (see "pukeshithell"'s comment below). there are around 13 million jews and 27 million nepalese. can we get two comments on people from nepal for every one about jews yeh, i know, my comment was dumb too Subject: f'kin bore Date: Sep 14 2005 01:02:00 PM Author: jesuswife ha ha ha he Subject: hammerheads Date: Sep 14 2005 02:45:51 AM Author: pukeshithell hammerheads have heads like that because it makes jesus laugh you stupid ingrate. fuck, the guy needs a good laugh after what the jews did to him. and, there's no metion of sharks in the bible. so, i mean, really. sharks? Subject: Vice sucks, you suck, i'm wasting time Date: Sep 13 2005 10:40:20 PM Author: phd in bio, your mom's my wench HA HA HA! ALMOST none of you people have your facts straight. Vice is a fashion magazine with a brilliant formula that sucks all of us assholes in. Evolution by natural selection is fundamental to our understanding of our world whether the unschooled masses realize it or not. This author's probably a cokehead. Screw Vice and Gavin and Shoo Roosh for being manipulative, successful, neocon hypocrites. Screw all of you for reading this crap. Screw me for reading it, too, and wasting my time letting you know how I feel. We all suck Charles Darwin's dead, leathery gamete pumps. Subject: You are such idiots Date: Sep 13 2005 09:31:37 PM Author: Why bother The hammer head shark can detect the electromagnetic fields of other liiving organisms (don't you wish you could) with sensory organs in their flattened heads. The shape of their head is an adaptation that improves the sensitivity of those organs by removing them from the sharks own field. So as with everything else in this magazine your (and all the previous comments) arguments are based on total ignorance and disregard for journalistic rigor. With a bunch of fools trying to argue against proven science using nothing more than nonsence. It's no wonder that america allowed king george to crown himself twice. The USA is sprinting for the new dark ages. Subject: re#: pete Date: Sep 13 2005 09:07:27 AM Author: mutual LOL, you are 100% right everyone that hates on VICE attempts (poorly) to do it in a VICE like manner. Hey dood this article is soooo TOTALLY shit that i shit myself and spread shit around the whole room exept i didn't nitce because i was too busy reading your shit magazine. :rolleyes: I hate Gavin BTW and suroosh even more BTW... Subject: Your Head Date: Sep 12 2005 08:20:23 PM Author: HammerTime Fine, admittedly this article is begging debate, but its a relevant debate. As I understand it random mutations happen all the time, and good ones are favored because the creature sporting that beneficial mutatation is more likely to survive and pass on its legacy. I don't buy it though, there's too much intentionality in some cooler advanced structures like an eye or a wing. There is intention, but from whom? DNA? God? The animal itself? All my learned sources insist that the hammerhead shark's head is like that because Umbwatta the creator punished Shark for stealing understanding of blood and air by stretching wide his face so he couldn't fit into the crevice that goes to sharkland. Subject: achondroplasia Date: Sep 12 2005 03:19:25 PM Author: Curious "These little buggers got like that chasing foxes." that's some funny shit. Made me look up "achondroplasia" (abnormal bone growth in PEOPLE) and AKC breeds (there are over 150 recognized). Which led me to wonder - what if we bred humans like dogs and had over 150 varieties based on specific tasks they would perform. If this was done globally I wonder if we would have more freakish outcomes than what occurs through natural mutation...anyway I'm rambling. Subject: You Date: Sep 12 2005 01:01:34 PM Author: Pete. It's kinda right, and it's kinda goofy and stuff, but what's really funny is how stupid half the responses here are. Vice does a pretty good job of making itself seem pretty hip by being dismissive of other things, but it's also kind of sincere about some stuff, and that's where the real substance lies. The clash between the two makes the funniness. But there are all these assholes who have no redeeming qualities and figure they can be cool by being dismissive of stuff too. Hey, if they're dismissive of Vice magazine, then they're even cooler than the cool people! So they hang out making fun of Vice articles here, saying things like "This article sucks so much ass I popped a fucking boner!". Dumb shit that barely makes any sense, but is obviously trying to sound like Vice magazine, only apparently they hate Vice. Just graduate, get married, and stop pretending to have opinions about things because it's really annoying. Thanks. Subject: not very funny Date: Sep 11 2005 06:08:59 PM Author: sofia Having a boring Sunday and going to the viceland site to get smirkey I ended up disappointed. This article and the article before it were neither informative nor funny. Was the animal topic too hard for you guys? Maybe you should have concentrated more on myths about animals and exaggerated that or something, ehh, shit that ain't my job. Just be funny, ok! But I'll check a few more articles before I give up. Subject: balthazar Date: Sep 10 2005 10:12:25 PM Author: lol youre luck man. Subject: slicing and dicing. Date: Sep 10 2005 07:40:32 PM Author: josh "· Food Habits As opportunistic predators, swordfish feed at the surface as well as the bottom of their depth range (>2,100 ft (650 m)) as evidenced by stomach contents. They feed mostly upon pelagic fishes, and occasionally squids and other cephalopods. At lower depths they feed upon demersal fishes. The sword is apparently used in obtaining prey, as squid and cuttlefishes commonly exhibit slashes to the body when taken from swordfish stomachs. A recent study found the majority of large fish prey had been slashed, while small prey items had been consumed whole. Larval swordfish feed on zooplankton including other fish larvae. Juveniles eat squid, fishes, and pelagic crustaceans. " Subject: me Date: Sep 09 2005 07:01:52 PM Author: krash krashiskingshit.com Subject: : Date: Sep 09 2005 05:10:35 PM Author: : did you see my last post, it was time travel??? Subject: : Date: Sep 09 2005 05:00:00 PM Author: : seem like, we're in difficult time here :) Subject: my penis Date: Sep 09 2005 05:02:41 PM Author: balthazar let it be known that I have the biggest penis Subject: hammerhead. Date: Sep 09 2005 03:56:54 PM Author: the i know nothing about it but interesting. Subject: idiots Date: Sep 09 2005 09:24:58 AM Author: Timmah For all your bitching none of you seem to know the answers either. The advantage hammerheads have is easily identifiable but not in the normal way of thinking. It doesen't let them have extra senses. Other sharks already have those and don't need an oblong shaped head. It obviously doesen't help them move faster or manuever better than other sharks either. The answer is simple geometry. Pushing the eyes further apart gives a better base for triangulation. It's a proven fact that the hammerhead has far better depth perception and visual tracking than almost every other animal and it can perform this feat in almost any direction. Subject: you Date: Sep 08 2005 05:32:15 AM Author: Freddie Francisco you are full of shit, and I didn´t have the energy to finish reading your bullshit story with your bullshit arguments Subject: dogs legs weren't made for hunting Date: Sep 07 2005 11:23:36 PM Author: andrew dogs legs weren't made for hunting, hunters used short-legged dogs to their advantage. evolution doesn't happen in a lifetime. cross-breeding dogs is also different than evolution. Subject: who is frank cotsa, phd or drunk retard? Date: Sep 07 2005 11:09:48 PM Author: andrew-montreal SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST EXPLAINED THAT MUTATIONS WOULD GIVE LIVING THINGS ADVANTAGES. just because there's no use for what we call a "sword" on the front of that fish doesn't mean darwin is wrong. he is just saying it is alive because that thing is not negative. there's got to be 1 billion other mutations in his genes that are just like every other fish that has actually survived and reproduced. some deep-sea fish still have eye-lids covering where their non-existent eyes would have been millions of years ago. but they didn't need the eyes so eventually mutations developed with no eyes and they managed to survive and reproduce but the eyelids were not negative so they still survived and evolution has not mutated them without eyelids. whatever, i agree darwin isn't 100% right (obviously) but i know vice is run by a conservative who probably loves bush and soutern ideas of "creationism," so don't just say stupid shit like a fucking idiot-loser. like, we're the ones who named it a "hammerhead" just because you have a cartoon imagination of it building your house for you, doesn't mean it's not explained through darwin's THEORY of evolution. like, it's still there because it's not negative and in 100 million years it will look much different. just because we're on this earth for like 80 years and have recorded history for like, what, 5000 years, doesn't mean we have seen the process of evolution. we can only assume how these animals came to be at th Subject: . Date: Sep 06 2005 10:56:38 PM Author: . we shouldnt f'k with Darwin. Subject: Boo. Date: Sep 06 2005 10:33:14 PM Author: Yeah Sure, now it's a joke, now that everybody called you on it! Now that everybody pointed out how irritating and sad it was that vice was pretending it's writers are more than inbred retarded mashed potato heads! Yeah, I'm sure you were just making fun of "science articles" all along, because you know those science journalists were really in for it! The way the they sit around all day and write about the highly complex issues that matter most to our swiftly tilting planet. Those clowns!! It's like wearing a Wilson-Phillips shirt at a Canadian renaissance festival! Or something! Subject: hammerhead Date: Sep 06 2005 10:40:14 AM Author: panda is he smiling? Subject: we love Vice Date: Sep 05 2005 12:42:21 PM Author: ^ ^ but dont you get a joke from the comments, too ? because this is Vice that why people post comments here. Subject: the joke Date: Sep 05 2005 12:05:41 PM Author: zark yeah, it's not supposed to be true or anything, so it's just a mockery of science articles and the Vice people are being all "these idiots posting on the website don't get the joke that it's a joke" but just like that faux "british people invented the blues" article ages ago, it's not an obvious enough joke, nobody gets it...pointless. Subject: scientists don´t assume that! Date: Sep 03 2005 05:48:43 PM Author: know some science... if it can excist it does. No theorys are more precise than that... Subject: fag Date: Sep 03 2005 03:27:42 PM Author: fag this man is a moron. I feel compelled to let him know it. Subject: ! Date: Sep 03 2005 03:06:40 PM Author: . ? Subject: oh Date: Sep 02 2005 04:02:35 PM Author: Aleksey I'm not sure why so many people are in such a tiff about this article. I found it midly amusing, although it also proved to be a perfect example of the ignorance of the general population when it comes to the actual mechanism of evolution. Subject: A big Keanu "whoaa..." Date: Sep 02 2005 01:17:10 PM Author: Nemo Ya'll are smart. People should take a few steps back, look at the asinine article and all the psuedo 'Scientific American' mini-articles that follow it. Then you will truly appreciate the wit of Vice. Irony: not just a spectator sport anymore... Subject: sick of stupidity Date: Sep 02 2005 11:11:48 AM Author: please, no more! if the rest of the crew had not already kicked the shit out of this awful article, I'd say: refrain from ever publisizing your opinion again, moron! darwin is all about randomness! Subject: Bullshit, bullshit, waste of time Date: Sep 01 2005 11:29:23 AM Author: shintriad I hate to use the term "trolling," but that's pretty much all this article is doing. It does not warrant the kind of debate we see here, because the author clearly demonstrates so little knowledge of evolutionary theory. All the "objections" he brings up have been addressed by far more intelligent, committed and learned individuals than himself, throughout the last 150 years or so. If he had done some rudimentary research, he would have never sat down to type this article out in the first place. But then, that's never a good way to get published in a hip glossy, I guess. The Wikipedia entry for "Hammerhead" offers several theories as to why it might have evolved that way. You might as well go ahead and look "evolutionary biology" while you're at it. Another interesting and germaine topic is Handicap Theory, which seeks to explain why seemingly detrimental morphologies have been allowed to evolve, such as in the peacock and the gazelle. Read it, Mr. Costa. Oh, and there was a much better Darwinian beatdown over at the Huffington Post, after Deepak Chopra puked up a totally misinformed, mystical attempt to question evolution. Check it out sometime. Subject: Hammerhead Date: Sep 01 2005 09:29:11 AM Author: The shark Doctor fuckin morrons hammerhead=last evolved in the elasmobranch familly (shark+ray) Morphological explanation for the hammerhead: Possibility to compare geomagnetic field on the right and left og his head... Write article about sex drug and rock and roll if you want but leave the serious stuff for other people. Thank you vermifuge Subject: this author Date: Aug 31 2005 10:35:37 PM Author: Bum. sound like you believe in God? Subject: dead is dead, so what? Date: Aug 31 2005 07:24:35 PM Author: hummerhead were sure that youre boring. Subject: i <3 hammerheads Date: Aug 31 2005 04:42:13 PM Author: baby wolf i do. i <3 them. Subject: this Date: Aug 31 2005 04:15:15 AM Author: doof What was the point of this article exactly? Subject: jerk Date: Aug 31 2005 01:56:57 AM Author: monkeyknuckle here's the thing: dachsunds have short legs so they can hunt badgers. swordfish can cut boards good, and hammerhead sharks are good at putting nails in boards. swordfish and hammerheads are a good team for building underwater buildings to live in. what do we know about underwater civilization? you're an idiot franklin costa. evolution is some real shit dogg. Subject: le douche Date: Aug 30 2005 04:57:32 PM Author: longtime listener, big time baller... Did vice magazine lose a bet with some other fishwrap, and did the loser of the bet have to run this waste of adspace. Or, was the bet about who could run the most inane, boring, non-funny, pointless article, in which case I am sure Vice won hands down, Congrats! Don't forget the gravy... Subject: dead is dead Date: Aug 30 2005 12:38:08 PM Author: intelligent designer live with it Subject: this author is an idiot Date: Aug 30 2005 11:21:19 AM Author: this author is an idiot this author is an idiot Subject: reaction on subject jesus Date: Aug 30 2005 09:05:37 AM Author: ID sucks "Subject: read a goddamn book Date: Aug 26 2005 09:39:05 PM "Author: jesus "this author is a fucking idiot. open up a fucking book. the reason these animals developed the way they did is because there was a survival advantage in their habitat. little dogs are completely irrelevant to this argument. stop wasting my time and be funny instead." This guy is absolutely right. All you intelligent design people should realise that this is just another way that Bush is trying to change your way of thought into a religious kind. Ok so what that science can't explain everything, you think believing in God for 2000 years has done you any good, like that gave you any explanation why we are here and how we evolve. Without science most of you ignorant bastards wouldn't even be here! Subject: Speaking of hammerheads, Mr. Costa... Date: Aug 30 2005 08:48:33 AM Author: Dr. Fitzpatrick While "Darwinism is nothing without randomness" is a true statement, the point of the author's rant eludes me. The cornerstone of the theory of natural selection, or "Darwinism," is the very fact that unexplainable and random genetic mutations provide selective advantage for survival, reproduction, and ultimately the transmission of the mutation to subsequent generations. That IS, in a nutshell, Darwinism. So why the bizzare rant? Fuck Darwin? Darwin would have completely rejected the notion of any "preplanned design." If you are going to write like an vulgar, ignorant moron I suggest you at least say something funny. Subject: defense Date: Aug 30 2005 09:01:22 AM Author: ernest You can't defend evolution by restating it. We all get the theory. Saying "the reason they stuck around is because somehow they gave these animals an edge is survival or reproduction" is exactly like saying "the reason they stuck around is because God made them that way." Just repeating a theory does not defend it. We _get_ the logic of the theory. It is really pretty fucking easy to understand. What we are saying is that it is _too_ easy, and we don't buy it. (Please, for God sake, don't answer this by saying "the reason they stuck around is because somehow they gave these animals an edge is survival or reproduction") Subject: boobs Date: Aug 30 2005 08:11:15 AM Author: poopface its true these characteristics of these animals (swords on fish, hammerheads) arose randomly by mutation "flibbity-bloop", but the reason they stuck around is because somehow they gave these animals an edge is survival or reproduction. i mean life on earth has been evolving for billions of years, there is an evolutionary reason these animals look this way. also it probably should be pointed out that one day the swordfish didnt magically have this huge ass sword on his face. the original mutation was probably a small one that either allowed the animal to spear a few extra fish or look super hot to swordfish babes (i dont know which it is, i havent looked into it). after a while the fish with bigger swords were selected more (again either speared fish more effectively or looked hotter to the ladies), therefore the modern day look of the swordfsh came about. Subject: Is Charles sure he exists? Date: Aug 30 2005 05:40:57 AM Author: Atheist Scientist in Taiwan On “Intelligent Design.” Intelligent Design, almost by definition, is a subject that thrives in the absence of knowledge, esp. ignorance regarding modern evolutionary thought. Hey Charles: you can't warp your mind around the odds of life forming from non-life and use a pitiful analogy of a hurricane producing a 747. Dude, look at the odds against you. That is, the likelihood that all the generations of human beings would engender the exact chain of DNA required to produce a child with your exact genetic code. Karl Sagan characterized those odds as 1 in 10^2,000,000,000. . . .as filtered by natural selection. So you see, the odds against you being you are quite staggering. So much so that an Intelligent Design advocate might end up questioning his own existence. . . if he didn't know that he did, in fact, exist. Finally, if something created us, who created it? And on & on we go. Subject: GREASEHOPPER Date: Aug 29 2005 05:56:03 PM Author: MICHAEL 'SUCK GREASEHOPPER COCK' ....what a classic intellectual mind...fascinating...im totally in awe dude Subject: moop Date: Aug 29 2005 02:07:00 PM Author: jimbo uhhh some people are so lame and i really like the article Subject: Really? 2 Date: Aug 29 2005 12:45:22 AM Author: Lilu Haha, tricorner hats! But beyond that, someone should cut off your hands for writing this article. You have no new information to provide and if you do you pulled it out of your ass and that's why it smells like poot. I would tell you to stick to humor like the rest of these ninnies, but, um, you should actually never write anything again ever. That's how fucking vacuous this peice is. ps. I hate it so much more than I normally would because you said "a little thing I like to call 'chaos.'" Subject: too lazy to look things up Date: Aug 28 2005 07:35:11 PM Author: dad re: hammerheads and looking things up Several hypotheses are proposed to explain the evolution of the sphyrnid cephalofoil but few have been empirically tested. Some suggest the cephalofoil acts like a canard to provide hydrodynamic lift and increase maneuvering capabilities. Another hypothesis is that the cephalofoil functions in prey manipulation. Other hypotheses involve potential advantages of spacing sensory structures across the surface or at the lateral ends of the cephalofoil. Another such hypothesis is that pores in the laterally expanded sphyrnid cephalofoil (shark's head) provide an electrosensory capability that maximizes search area coverage to increase the opportunity to detect food sources. Subject: for example Date: Aug 28 2005 07:27:44 PM Author: dad From an evolutionary perspective, no one can explain the female human orgasm. Most species don't have it. For a long time, the theory was that women would go for healthy men who would be more likely to provide them with crashing orgasms. Then, recently, this scientist was like "you know what? maybe it's not an 'evolutionary adaptation' -- maybe not every characteristic of every living creature has a logical explanation. Maaaaaaybe, this is just a vestigial thing, like the male nipple.'" PS Don't call me an idiot until you work out the shift key. Subject: damien Date: Aug 28 2005 07:24:12 PM Author: dad Okay, all I am saying is that if you give a human brain any phenomena, it will take us about 5 seconds to make a "logical" answer. I think that 100,000 years of life and "evolution" are more complicated than "that's so he can see on the sides of his head" Subject: response to dad Date: Aug 28 2005 05:21:11 PM Author: son you're an idiot. get informed or shut up. Subject: Nice, but not quite right. Date: Aug 28 2005 04:30:24 PM Author: Damien Interesting, raises some good points, but not that many. There arn't really any "why the fuck" genetic adaptions. It's not crazy or random. For the hammerhead, the function is to have incredible peripheral vision. No one fucking bred hammerheads. All sharks of that species without the hammer design fucking died because they were less efficient. There's not much dogmatism in evolutionary theory anymore. Any time anyone says "______ is too complicated for humans to understand" what they mean is: "I'm too lazy/stupid to even try to understand something." Don't be a dead hooker. Vice is a great magazine, but it's certainly not an educational tool. (Except when Jim Goad writes: He understands that when you're going to be controversial, you've got to be absolutely fucking correct on every point.) Subject: Giraffes... Date: Aug 28 2005 11:54:19 AM Author: God Actually giraffes only use 60% of their neck length to get hard-to-reach leaves. The reason for their long-ass necks is for competing for mates. A giraffe with a long neck is way better at smashing other giraffes with its head. Subject: costa Date: Aug 27 2005 07:54:53 PM Author: dad I liked this article a lot. Why is everyone so dogmatic about evolution? Why is it that if you question evolution, you are supporting creationism or an idiot? Nature is too complicated for a human brain to understand it, I think, and the theory of evolution sounds too much, to me, like the kind of explanation we give everything: beginning, middle, end, and moral. It just seems wrong. Subject: sure, i guess... Date: Aug 27 2005 05:51:58 PM Author: can i get a yea, that was pretty much terrible. vice were you scrounging for filler? Subject: faggets IRL Date: Aug 27 2005 09:31:20 AM Author: fagget fuck, some of this shit is really deep its making me think about my place in the univerese LOL\ p.s.jesus is a good for nothing fagget who sucks greasshpper cock Subject: this is stupid Date: Aug 27 2005 06:22:56 AM Author: not impressed. God created the heavens and the earth and He calculated every thing in precise measurements down to the tiniest atom's weight, and even less. Also, stop bringing Jesus into the picture, he had nothing to do with it. God has taught us science, for our benefit, so we can study, seek answers, and fully appreciate His creations. Instead of wasting your time trying to deny His existince maybe you should spend it wisely seeking the truth- find some real answers. Going to your local church, mosque, or synagogue may not be the best way to do that either- all you need to do is submit and He will make things easy for you. Kill your ego: http://www.submission.org/FindingGod.html + http://www.submission.org/miracle/19-chemistry.html Subject: Costa you are a stooge Date: Aug 27 2005 04:26:53 AM Author: D Mac Franklin Costa that is quite possibly the stupidest article ever written for Vice. Humour is obviously something outside your sphere of understanding, as is anything to do with evolution. Let's hope you "flibbity-bloop" some wit if you are going to keep contributing to this mag. Subject: read a goddamn book Date: Aug 26 2005 09:39:05 PM Author: jesus this author is a fucking idiot. open up a fucking book. the reason these animals developed the way they did is because there was a survival advantage in their habitat. little dogs are completely irrelevant to this argument. stop wasting my time and be funny instead. Subject: WHO ARE THE 5 GREATEST MC's IN ORDER? Date: Aug 26 2005 07:20:08 PM Author: DYLAN DYLAN DYLAN DYLAN DYLAN DYLAN Subject: let's dumb it down a bit Date: Aug 26 2005 06:25:58 PM Author: kls750 why do i read this crappy magazine? why do i suddenly feel compeled to let you know how bad the articles are? ok, sometimes the pictures are good. Subject: afafij Date: Aug 26 2005 04:52:41 PM Author: asfasf i dont know shit about darwinism, but this article is pretty shitty no matter what. I feel like im reading a blogger entry. Subject: worst article ever. Date: Aug 26 2005 03:42:00 PM Author: charlie d. worst. except for those racist ones. Subject: fish Date: Aug 26 2005 01:06:54 PM Author: fishy swordfish actually do stab things with their....swords Subject: time waster Date: Aug 26 2005 12:43:22 PM Author: Jonboy By reading this article I wasted 5 minutes of my life. It was quite ignorant and not really that funny. Franklin Costa you are not good enough to write for this magazine. Please stop now you are embarrassing yourself. Subject: reply to bobsmo Date: Aug 26 2005 12:00:53 PM Author: needntsay chaos theory is not a supernatural force - as much as you'd like to think so. mysterion. Subject: umm look Date: Aug 26 2005 11:55:38 AM Author: fuck Darwin? You may be correct on random freaks of nature, but is it necessary to say "fuck Darwin" just to sound over the top or cool? Darwin was still right about most of it wasn't he? so randomness also plays a part. Umm So what? I really don't even think that concept would put a wrench in Darwin's machinery would it? I doubt he'd care if that was an ammendment to his "deal" at all. and what was all that about Darwin having a "master plan" I thought his whole idea was randoness and natural selection.. how is that a master plan you seemed to rebeling against? Subject: mysterions and jebus Date: Aug 26 2005 11:38:07 AM Author: bobsmo beware of these mysterions and chaos theorist. Suggesting that something is supernatural is taking on a new political meaning in this rapidly fascist leaning society. See how Prof. Dennet rips this "mysterion" interviewer a new asshole by equating the idiots theories to gremlins. http://www.meaningoflife.tv/video.php?speaker=dennett&am p;topic=direvol Subject: con't Franklin Costa is an ididot Date: Aug 26 2005 11:01:06 AM Author: CR The ultimate clincher is that Franklin Costa, while seemingly telling the creationists where to stick their crosses, only fuels their fire with erroneous assertions. The process of natural selection that Darwin described is not random. You got that Franklin Costa and all you creationists out there in Costaland. Just because one small part of the process is the result of a random event, it DOES NOT MEAN THE WHOLE FUCKING THING IS. It is a very determined process in fact, and the whole reason creationists spend all their time and money in court trying to rid their schools of neo-Darwinist theory is because they are misinformed by (and are) morons like Franklin Costa writing about evolutionary biology in a goddamn fashion magazine. Wawawawhaaaaat! In sum Franklin Costa, whatever your goal was, you failed. Miserably. Because you're a moron. Subject: Franklin Costa is an ididot Date: Aug 26 2005 10:45:16 AM Author: CR Vice, Franklin Costa is an idiot. And Vice, please tell me why you'd hire an idiot to write commentary on one of the greatest non-idiots of the 19th century. And let me guess Franklin Costa, you haven't read "On the Origin of Species". I must admit, you were on a roll there in that first paragraph. But i haven't seen a nose-dive like that since the space shuttle Colombia. To answer your question: no i don't think a "swordfish uses it's sword to cut through stuff?" Wow, great insight Franklin Costa. I don't think the local fisherman who first caught and subsequently named the swordfish had a picture of a bunch of fucking lumberjack cum sharks drinking Maudite while humping each other in the backwoods/coral. It kills me that a moron like Franklin Costa can say that Darwin was at least half wrong and then finish with "[he had] like 50 percent of the story" Like 50 percent Franklin Costa? Like oh my god! Like i can't believe it! Like only 50 percent ohmygod! Like wow Franklin Costa you're like dreamy! And thanks for clarifying to us all how DNA mutations are the ultimate origin of all the physical variations on which natural selection acts when DNA goes "flibbity-bloop". The great part is that Franklin Costa was actually quoting someone else's flibbity-bloops and couldn't even think up flibbity-bloop or some variant of it for himself. Well, thanks for that Franklin Costa. The ultimate clincher is that Franklin Co Subject: blow harder costa Date: Aug 26 2005 09:44:17 AM Author: D so... do you know that people have actually done research in evolution since darwin? yeah, you just blew every moron's mind. Subject: This Date: Aug 26 2005 09:10:34 AM Author: Mister Know-it-all Wrong on sooooo many levels. Sad part is, some of these little hipsters will actually read this as gospel and go spouting on about this crap at parties whilst conversing with other poorly-educated assholes. Subject: wtf? Date: Aug 26 2005 01:28:02 AM Author: rondo who the fuck gave mr. costa the right to write this damn article? is he an idgit? serisouly! "flibbity-bloop" and it was like that, huh? i think not mr. idgit. animals evolve because of their enviornment. do some friggin homework for gods sake. i watched discovery channle ok, and those hammerheads evolved to find fish buried under the sand using some fucking radar. goh! i dont know. but i feel that you were asked to write an article or drew the short stick or some shit, and you couldnt find anything else to write about. damn, such a lucky guy to write a pubished article, and you fuggin blew it. you, are the freaking genetic fuck up here buddy. peas p.s who the fuck said Vice could change their binding? i was happy with it before. please me! Rondo Subject: mates Date: Aug 25 2005 11:30:21 PM Author: doctor scroggins that shark fucked who now? Subject: come on Date: Aug 25 2005 02:03:57 PM Author: ed i think we all know that it is jesus and god who made all these variations. the "theory" of evolution is as full of holes as the "theory" of gravity. i don't need a bunch of fancy degrees or a half hour discovery channel show to realize that. you are all stupid as the noses on your face praise jesus. go bush for pres 2008 Subject: interesting Date: Aug 25 2005 07:47:34 AM Author: me You also have take into account that our universe may be just one in a number of universes making up the multiverse. Then the odds against freaky shit like stable matter/life occuring start to shorten. Anyway, there is no "creator". It's just a stupid idea. Subject: Mathematical Impossibility Date: Aug 25 2005 12:26:35 AM Author: Fred Hoyle To answer the first question—the likelihood that random accidents turned inanimate matter into living matter—I will address only the molecular biological aspects. Consider a calculation by the famous (atheist) scientist Sir Fred Hoyle. Hoyle understood that even the simplest living cells are extremely complex, containing many nucleic acids, enzymes, and molecules all joined together in a very precise sequence. He calculated the odds of each of 20 amino acids appearing in the correct sequence to form an enzyme as 1 chance in 1020. Since the simplest living cell requires 2,000 functioning enzymes, the odds against the amino acids appearing in the correct sequence for a living cell were equal to 1 in (1020) 2000—or 1 chance in 1040,000. This number is a 1 followed by 40,000 zeros. Because mathematicians normally regard a chance of 1 in 1050 as mathematical impossibility, Hoyle concluded that life could not have appeared by earthbound random processes, even if the whole universe consisted of prebiotic soup. His collaborator Chandra Wickramasinghe put it more dramatically: "The chances that life just occurred are about as unlikely as a typhoon blowing through a junkyard and constructing a Boeing 747." To appreciate the size of 1050, consider that if you assume the Big Bang occurred 15 billion years ago, only 1018 seconds have occurred in all of time. The number of atoms in the known universe is estimated to be only 1080. Physicist Paul Davies has equated Subject: Well what you guys dont know is? Date: Aug 24 2005 11:14:30 PM Author: Wookie You all are all g a y s, fighting over who has the biggest online p e n i s. Subject: I am not smarty. Date: Aug 24 2005 03:21:22 PM Author: Johnny Lamarck Your 'element of craziness' is allowed for in the Origin of Species. Darwinian evolution is an explanation for the persistence of mutations. Darwin was unable to provide a convincing account of the mechanism for mutation, and, I think, knew it. The 'flibbity-boop' is only marginally better understood now than it was a hundred and fifty years ago; the reason they 'stayed that way' is successfully explained in general terms in the Origin of Species. In specific terms, explanations depend upon zoological research. You shouldn't have brought up Darwin, since you don't appear to have a clear idea what you're saying. The dog example is also poor: because humans selected for the dachshund's physiognomy, the 'function' of its short legs & c. is precisely what the breeders claim it is. The same general adaptations have also occurred without human intervention, as in weasels. What's your point, exactly, except that you think funny heads are funny, and that it isn't cool to think too hard about things? Subject: Science Date: Aug 24 2005 01:23:40 PM Author: Genes Suck The mutation that made the weird looking animal occurred randomly, but it stuck it around because it helped the animal. So in a sense every thing you see in nature does have a purpose. Evolution is nature's way of harnessing chaos into creativity. And as far as the creationist/intelligent design argument. If God did make everything God certainly wouldn't do something as stupid as design everything down to the last detail. An intellegent God would evolve it. Biochemist trying to "design" molecules from scratch to have certain functions have met with unanimous failure and frustration. However a lot of progress has been made by biologist that use the principle of "in vitro evolution" harness the creativity of chaos to generate random molecules and then select those with certain criteria that are trending towards the desired function and allow them to change chaotically and repeat the process until they get a completely new molecule that does what they want it to. What we are learning is that design lacks intelligence from its inception. Thus, intelligent design is a very stupid way to "Create" anything. Subject: this frequency Date: Aug 24 2005 01:12:20 PM Author: radiate The cause of evolution is cosmic radiations. High energy particles flying through us all the time. Usually they pass through without doing much. Sometimes they alter some useless part of our DNA and very rarely it will alter something that serves a purpose. If that change is benificial then a step has been taken in the right direction and that organism will most likely spread this new trait to its offspring. If the change is detrimental then disease or the like with kill it. Hopefully this occurs before it can reproduce. It was proven on the space station. They kept mice up there for long periods of time and kept a record of their DNA from before they left and when they came back several things had changed. These differences didnt affect the mices' phenotype but some obscure part of their genotype was altered. Maybe there is a reason that only a few percent of our genes account for our actual traits. All this junk DNA could be to boost the odds that everyone wont be a crazy looking mutant. Subject: um, no. Date: Aug 24 2005 11:02:45 AM Author: hi charles. Ok, first of all, you didn't even get your first part right. The four nucleotide bases in DNA are adenine, cytosine, guanine, and THYMINE, or A, G, C, and T, not D. I have no idea where you got that from, but uh, you're wrong, take a biology class please. Anyways, I have no idea how people are coming up with the probability of life arising randomly in the universe. Just having an estimate age for the universe (which might not even be it's actual age) isn't enough information to arrive at any sort of answer. But even if it is true that the chances of life as it exists on earth arising completely randomly are infintesimal, that DOES NOT MEAN that it isn't so. For example, when you are dealt a hand in poker, the probability of you being dealt that particular hand is about .00000004. That is a pretty small chance. But, only an idiot would realize this, and then decide that means that they must have been dealt that hand by the will of god. No, it's just chance. Just because something is unlikely, doesn't mean it's impossible, particularly if all the other possible outcomes are equally unlikely. Subject: losers Date: Aug 24 2005 10:50:53 AM Author: me To quote Dylan Klebold: *creepy bad guy voice* "There is no god." Subject: Thanks Stoops Date: Aug 24 2005 01:05:12 AM Author: Charles Hey man thanks for the quick response, I really appreciate it. No really. Anyways I wasn't trying to flaunt any faux-knowledge by stating any facts about chemical elements are rungs on the DN ladder. Nor was I advocating any Eyelovegod bullshit or go bush go. All I was doing was saying that regarding your theory of chaos and that is how life was formed, have you considered at all the reality of what you are saying? (Again, I'm not saying that Jesus died for our sins) The dude after me said that theorists say that if you replicated the junkyard experiment a shitload of times - you would eventually get the 747. This is true. But the reality is, if you take whatever estimation the age of the universe is, it hasnt been long enough for the amount of time it would take for "chaos to form life". Not only would so many things have to come together at such a specific moment, but it just happened to occur really, really soon. Again, I'm just showing the other side of the argument. Is there any response beyond wanting to kick my ass? Subject: charles Date: Aug 24 2005 12:42:29 AM Author: stoops in charge Thanks for giving examples of "chemical elements that make up life" and showing you know that scientists use the letters a, g, c, etc. as names for the rungs of d.n.a. Otherwise i might get the impression that you were just the typical idiot who voted Bush into office and is getting all wet about the Discovery Institute bringing politics into the classroom. I'd love to mash your face. Subject: .... Date: Aug 22 2005 11:01:43 PM Author: ... some theorists say that if you could replicate the hurricane through a junkyard experiment say 1 x 10 to the power of a billion times then you would eventually get a 747 in its wake they also say sandals are evil Subject: Really? Date: Aug 22 2005 08:20:48 PM Author: Charles Ahhhh, Franklin, excellent use of the typical ingredients that constitute a Vice article- A pinch of truth A dash of humor A few pounds of BS A comment on this line - "Nature sprang from a little thing I like to call “chaos.” So basically all of the various chemical elements that make up life (carbon, oxygen, hydrogen,etc.) just happened to be in the same location in the universe - just happened to have a perfect marriage of temperature, weight, and pressure for the elements to work together (not too cold, not too hot, not too much pressure)- and just happened to fit into a perfect pattern of A, G, C, D (DNA) to give birth to life? Some theorists have said this is analagous to a hurricane blowing through a junkyard and having a perfectly built 747 left in its wake. |
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