You can dress up a track suit in all the jewelry and stupid Polish shoes you want. You’re still wearing a textile designed for sluts, fat people, exhausted moms, and the unemployed.

Date: Jun 03 2008 02:23:19 PM
Author: now that you mention it...

if by 'porn star body' you mean her having an underdeveloped spine and an ass you could fit in bull horn, then ya. totally porno.



Subject: Gulp..
Date: Feb 03 2008 05:08:20 PM
Author: Woody

she has a fucking porn star body.. she can wear whatever she fucking wants and get away with it.



Subject: ha
Date: Jan 23 2008 11:56:17 PM
Author: zajebisty

this is a laugh. dead on with the polish thing. you know how i know? because i'm polish and we have a weird spidey-sense for it. i can take you to ikea and point out every polish person. (hint: they're all the women in leather in line at the returns counter)



Subject: Armenian Chicks
Date: Jan 11 2008 09:33:40 AM
Author: Shnils

Armenian chicks are such a 'DO'. And this chick is hot - you're the pretentious one if you wouldn't get down on that because of her outfit.



Subject: just stop...
Date: Jan 02 2008 03:18:47 PM
Author: CJ the Judge

WHAT ASS????..... RIGHT RIGHT??



Subject: D
Date: Nov 27 2007 04:52:27 AM
Author: D

I WOULD HIT THAT ASS THOUGH ...RIGHT RIGHT??



Subject: paradoxial caboose.
Date: Oct 29 2007 07:33:28 PM
Author: natasha

the thing I don't get, is that thong underwear was basically invented to hide pantie lines on your ass when wearing pants, but these seem to accentuate the whole "my butt is having some lunch right now" look.

Oh, and the rest of it is just too easy. :)



Subject: ughhhh... pantsuit.
Date: Sep 23 2007 03:01:39 AM
Author: j.p. quackenbush.

die, middle america scum.










yes, sometimes you have to draw the line at what's right, even though she makes your dick tingly.



Subject: duh
Date: Jul 16 2007 02:25:39 AM
Author: Taylor Rain

does no one here masturbate? It's Taylor Rain from club taylor rain and luke ford dot com - a porn star. and yeah, she's hot as shit.



Subject: Bro
Date: Jun 17 2007 06:39:12 AM
Author: JOCK

"Hey, if you like this look..super. Go to Glendale, CA. This is basically the uniform for 16-30 year old Armenian chicks."

Armenian chicks are a do.



Subject: bobby dern
Date: Jun 03 2007 11:50:20 PM
Author: hahahaha

sad pear on syrup covered plate...
hahahahhhaaha

awful dessert, funny ass comment.



Subject: HAIR
Date: May 14 2007 02:35:50 PM
Author: JOHNNY

I BET FIFTY BUCKS THAT THERE'S NOT A HAIR ON 'IT'. NOT A HAIR ON IT !!!



Subject: guilty
Date: May 11 2007 09:35:58 PM
Author: consies

when you live in south philly you get a hard spot in your heart for tracksuits. it turns a 5 into a 10 soley based on unavailibility.



Subject: Sweat Pants Ban
Date: May 11 2007 07:15:33 PM
Author: somebody\\\'s boyfriend

Yeah. This is horrible. If they're going to ban smoking in public, they should at least ban sweat pants too. Unless you are holding a laundry basket or coming out of a locker room, you should be sent home with a $50 fine.

The secondhand depression caused by shitty sweatpants is a major public health issue and the politicians just don't have the balls to deal with it.



Subject: i dunno
Date: May 10 2007 02:11:17 PM
Author: Miss Woo

the lace reminds me of Barbie



Subject: I hate to say it
Date: May 10 2007 10:56:00 AM
Author: Johnny Bonanza

But you have a hell of a point there. I wonder what life's like when you're in her head ..



Subject: You see
Date: May 09 2007 08:14:03 PM
Author: the thing is...

...she could dress in a way that would appeal to VICE readers and writers and the general NY hipster populace, BUT... those people aren't the type she wants. They got no cheddar (except for Gavin). They are flimsy scruffy muscle-less smokers. They dress like girls.

This woman wants a gym-goin', pec-flexin', Beemer-drivin' LA douche. And she's dressed for that man. And she'll get him. It's true.



Subject: at the risk of sounding liek a huge fag
Date: May 09 2007 07:52:17 PM
Author: Nick Dubeau

Those shoes are horrible



Subject: Weird
Date: May 09 2007 06:02:57 PM
Author: Im failing

to see the dont in this picture.



Subject: Dear
Date: May 09 2007 09:19:52 AM
Author: Katie

....first, we'd have to listen to you.



Subject: hahahaha
Date: May 07 2007 07:15:06 PM
Author: Sarah

***"Why is this woman better than one wearing a Vice-approved outfit?

Because she won't tell you about her life-changing semester at Oberlin."***

--- BAha... so true.



Subject: up
Date: May 07 2007 04:01:15 PM
Author: yours

This is not a don't!!!!!111



Subject: Fuck this noise...
Date: May 07 2007 11:14:48 AM
Author: Fry Guy

This girl is from Europe and who gives a shit?



Subject: what?
Date: May 05 2007 04:44:22 PM
Author: Duck Nuts

dude, she's totally a "Do".

Vice Do's and Don't are fucking fags.



Subject: nerk!
Date: May 05 2007 05:24:20 AM
Author: bobby dern

all i see is a self important lady. she is hot-ish but you guys have a wierd concept of what ass really is. its actually not that great, reminds me of a sad pear on a syrup covered plate.



Subject: i'm wrong
Date: May 05 2007 04:20:15 AM
Author: on second thought

holy shit, look at those shoes.



Subject: down
Date: May 04 2007 10:34:01 PM
Author: clown-e

Yeah. Fuck it. Sequins.



Subject: Cotton candy pants
Date: May 04 2007 04:57:13 PM
Author: woobster

This little princess is so obviously sexy, with exception to the equine dial..a no brainer there..although the cloth is pure Idaho trailer park . I bet she has a colander for a memory though..



Subject: none
Date: May 04 2007 01:49:29 PM
Author: Stacey

"I want that 'I just rolled out of bed' look, but also give people the impression that the sleep fairy came and did my hair and makeup for me too!"
Bitch, please.



Subject: she's
Date: May 04 2007 12:15:11 PM
Author: A STRIPPER

"You need to all grow up and realize that given the impossible chance of banging her, you would all cry like the little girls that you are. Men get these girls, not pussy faced wimps. Go puts on some tight pants and think abou it"

No. You need to wake up and realize that ANY guy with enough paper currency or some bullshit "modeling/acting agency" hookups get these girls. And even those guys don't actually like talking to her. Go put on a stripey shirt and think about THAT next time you hit up the titty bar with yr bros. And don't forget to wrap it up.



Subject: Hey Dylan
Date: May 04 2007 10:07:44 AM
Author: .......

Thanks for being Vice's #1 pureist. Stay strong you dolt.



Subject: Bone
Date: May 04 2007 09:31:01 AM
Author: Vane$$a

You should listen to I-man. He's a ghost and a Jamaican rasta one at that. He'll change your fuckin life man.



Subject: i-man
Date: May 04 2007 06:37:30 AM
Author: fuck haute couture

yeah, you gave so little of a shit that you bothered not only to comment on it but to come back and comment again on it.

what is up with all the fakers today?



Subject: .
Date: May 04 2007 12:51:07 AM
Author: e-

Why is this woman better than one wearing a Vice-approved outfit?

Because she won't tell you about her life-changing semester at Oberlin.



Subject: Do for somebody
Date: May 04 2007 12:46:09 AM
Author: G

Dude in the USA shirt just fell in love.



Subject: jeez
Date: May 03 2007 11:49:14 PM
Author: sally

she looks cheesy

suburban mom look... boring!

she's pretty though



Subject: asses
Date: May 03 2007 11:18:57 PM
Author: penis face mcgegan

I'll bet her ass looking awesome though. The kinda pants you can just rub a fully clothed boner on while she makes some bacon and eggs and make a mess in your pants.



Subject: bum
Date: May 03 2007 10:26:19 PM
Author: jn

I like her bum



Subject: catholic school
Date: May 03 2007 09:52:03 PM
Author: spangler


Chloe Sevigny should have been a nun.



Subject: R u 14, Spangler?
Date: May 03 2007 09:26:34 PM
Author: I heart, har har, Juicy Couture

What is this "The Source"? And if I go there, will I regain some interest in the mysteries of which you speak? Will the girl by name Chloe Sevigny suddenly dazzle me again with the riddles of fashion that I once got? Help me return to the flock of truly interesting sheep.



Subject: stupid rappers
Date: May 03 2007 08:13:19 PM
Author: spangler


Or "The Source." Yeah, go read "The Source."



Subject: you don't get it
Date: May 03 2007 08:07:36 PM
Author: spangler


Hey normals, go read GQ or Elle.



Subject: spearmint
Date: May 03 2007 07:19:25 PM
Author: wino

'Because she dresses like a typical hot chick from Cali, all you east coast idiots are hating.'

you're the reason living here sucks, fall on a knife brotard.



Subject: Don't INFINITY
Date: May 03 2007 05:27:17 PM
Author: Leela

This is a don't no matter where it was taken.

She is clearly a visitor who aspires to this look. I'm in LA and hate this look on the locals. It's even horrible when someone dons a bad caricature of a look that's already awful.

Hey, if you like this look..super. Go to Glendale, CA. This is basically the uniform for 16-30 year old Armenian chicks.



Subject: funny
Date: May 03 2007 05:25:43 PM
Author: severine

you know what's funny? two years ago i would've found this look sickening but i've seen so many damn sack dresses, black tights, "natural" makeup, skinny jeans, giant sunglasses, frye boots, tattoos and shaggy hair since then that this shit is actually starting to look fresh again...

give it up, vice.



Subject: pelota de queso
Date: May 03 2007 05:03:27 PM
Author: Brown Julius

word. and i guess i'm a jock.



Subject: Hobbies
Date: May 03 2007 04:56:30 PM
Author: DooWap

Strippers can have hobbies too and besides she's got a hot body



Subject: gruyere
Date: May 03 2007 04:47:56 PM
Author: gouda

I'm a cheeseball.



Subject: fuck haute couture
Date: May 03 2007 04:01:22 PM
Author: i-man

or c) how little i give a shit.



Subject: haute couture
Date: May 03 2007 03:03:18 PM
Author: fuck haute couture

see here now, you're only making it obvious either a)how briefly you've been reading or b)how crappy you are at paying attention. Vanessa/Tony Lameassassino and I have had a lovingly hateful relationship for quite some time now so hush up.



Subject: and we have a winner!!
Date: May 03 2007 03:00:42 PM
Author: aesk47

this should be the caption...

"if this girl was three feet tall, she'd represent the boners-for-twelve-year-olds guild in munchkinland."

Bravo good sir or miss!!



Subject: fuck
Date: May 03 2007 02:20:39 PM
Author: haute couture

is the america of the DOs and DON'Ts.
policing the comments so you don't have to!



Subject: cybil/vanessa/tony lameassassino
Date: May 03 2007 02:13:23 PM
Author: fuck haute couture

hola vanessa, donning your tony suit today to say your scathing little piece but avoid being labeled a catty jealous hater?

good move, faker.



Subject: sizz
Date: May 03 2007 01:05:17 PM
Author: b

i don't see a tramp stamp



Subject: Slamma
Date: May 03 2007 01:05:00 PM
Author: Kajamma

Teresa Barbie doll. Ha.



Subject: Oh.
Date: May 03 2007 01:01:04 PM
Author: Fishwife

I don't care if any you think Vice's idea of a girl is unappealing...yeah the majority of them wear "green twill pants" and "coke-bottle glasses" from the 60's which can just get tired and ridiculous after being dictated to time and time again that it's soooo cool.

But...my God. Does she look smart to you? I WILL judge a book by its cover...that's what she wants. She wants to tell you she's stupid and she rides by on her looks, which she can do, because, hey, she's gorgeous. She doesn't wanna tell you that she reads good books, listens to good music, or anything like that...even if she does. I'm a pretty diplomatic chick, and I can easily say who's attractive and who isn't. She is! Why does she have to try and look like a Teresa doll.



Subject: aw sheeet
Date: May 03 2007 12:35:53 PM
Author: kure kure takora

Baby why you always gotta spill pepto everywhere.



Subject: Hey dummy..
Date: May 03 2007 12:25:40 PM
Author: Dylan

The Dos and Donts are FASHION critiques. That's why they're criticizing the clothes, you idiot.



Subject: She's
Date: May 03 2007 12:02:36 PM
Author: a DO

This same girl, in mismatched plaid, high socks and a cooler than thou look on her face would be the DO of the year. Because she dresses like a typical hot chick from Cali, all you east coast idiots are hating. You need to all grow up and realize that given the impossible chance of banging her, you would all cry like the little girls that you are. Men get these girls, not pussy faced wimps. Go puts on some tight pants and think abou it.



Subject: fashion...
Date: May 03 2007 11:48:08 AM
Author: hollywood_hillbilly

Fashion is more than just the clothes. While I would agree that this particular outfit is a bit ridiculous the fact is that this woman pulls it off.
As far as who this type of garment is intended for? Slut? maybe. Fat? no. Tired mom? doubt it. Unemployed? only if by choice.

This is like what my stripper neighbor wears when she is going to work.



Subject: ++
Date: May 03 2007 11:41:16 AM
Author: ++

Only jocks and cheeseballs would be into this girl.



Subject: the important thing
Date: May 03 2007 11:39:45 AM
Author: Clark Griswald

its like that shitty old saying, "it doesn't matter if you win or lose its if you have fun"

Could she be a stripper? Sure
Could she even be a hooker? You bet
Is that outfit uglier than that klopek kid from the movie The BURBS? YOUR GOD DAMN RIGHT IT IS!!
would talking to her be about as intellectually stimulating as talking to a 4 year old? Probably

but..

Sometimes it goes beyond dos and donts. Lets not judge this book by its cover. The important thing is that everybody should just be jerking off to that 10 of an ass
Do? Don't? who gives a fuck with an ass like that



Subject: Turd
Date: May 03 2007 11:39:07 AM
Author: Ferguson

So many problems here. Her nasty little piggies hanging out over the front of her shoes. Fucking sequins?? Pinks that don't match. A pink bag that goes with the outfit??

I'm all for ass, but anyone who would seriously approach her will get their comeupance when the time comes to make plans, converse, or just generally exist in her immediate area. Avoid.



Subject: ***
Date: May 03 2007 11:21:26 AM
Author: ***

ok, I think I know what's going on here. In reality, the color is way more of a problem than the actual track suit. the comment should have reflected that. also "textile?" I think you mean "garment."



Subject: strange
Date: May 03 2007 10:59:07 AM
Author: fishyscent

when did strippers learn to use cameras?



Subject: still
Date: May 03 2007 10:30:02 AM
Author: lauging

Polish shoes...ha!



Subject: Gilbert Grape's piece of ass
Date: May 03 2007 10:29:59 AM
Author: Tony Badassassino

Yeah. Looks like a tourist ex-prom queen MILF from Nebraska trying to dress "like a fancy movie star." Her smirk tells me that she thinks she's getting photographed by a talent scout, or maybe even the paparazzi. She probably checked for her photograph in the "National Enquirer" the next day.



Subject: She's Hot !!!!
Date: May 03 2007 10:29:39 AM
Author: Hal Jalikeakik

what's wrong Vice?...she's not covered in slutty tattoos...
she's not wearing some old lady dress?.....she's not wearing
tights?....
SHE'S DAMN HOT !!!!!!!



Subject: bleh
Date: May 03 2007 10:27:07 AM
Author: Billy.

I spent my high school years surrounded by girls who would think that this was the best outfit ever. It was like knowing something is fucked up but having so many people tell you it wasnt that you started to go "gee she is hot". Thankfully I snapped out of that. But fuck it was like brain washing for a little while.



Subject: family guy
Date: May 03 2007 10:20:37 AM
Author: square

This is Brian Griffin's girlfriend from Family Guy. She's prob taking a picture of him by maria Maria Callas' star. The last time this girl said anything interesting was when, on the local news, she described how the tornado that came though her trailer park sounded.



Subject: asdf
Date: May 03 2007 10:07:15 AM
Author: asdf

How do you know she isn't a slut?



Subject: Fashion
Date: May 03 2007 09:56:36 AM
Author: Tanz

Fuck fashion. Seriously. Looking good looks good, and she looks good. Why do I even come here? Would she be a do if she had my fathers coke bottle glasses from the 60's and green twill pants?



Subject: coca
Date: May 03 2007 09:37:54 AM
Author: caquita

Dos and don'ts are always about fashion, as fashion is the way we express all that we are, and this girl, as hot as she is, is pure dead braincells and void conversation. Now just imagine her with the previous do's clothes, she would look somewhat better but it will be still out of place on her stupid face, shitty hair and disgusting demeanor.



Subject: Vice
Date: May 03 2007 09:30:10 AM
Author: your killing me

Yea, you're right. Wearing something that shows off your amazing body and somehow seems to pull off the whole pink invasion is stupid. Fags.....



Subject: fasionistas
Date: May 03 2007 09:23:37 AM
Author: Lab

to interpret a "do" as clothing that makes one look more attractive than they are and a "don't" as clothing that undermines their base attractiveness ignores that fact that attractive is always a do, even if she's fucking it up pajamas made for a 12yo. it has resulted in every "do" being unfuckable and every don't being something I wouldn't be proud of but I'd still wear on my dick.



Subject: Absorbent
Date: May 03 2007 08:25:09 AM
Author: Nikki9Lives

She looks like a tampon made for clowns.

Fuck her and fuck LA too.

There's no way this Disney princess could make me believe that all of this overpriced bubblegum-fuzz wasn't purchased by her dad or her "benefactor" or maybe a combination of the two.

Like with most royalty, inbreeding isn't as frowned upon in noble LA.


...
Unless she has the power to shit cotton candy from any orifice at will.
Only then could she possible justify so much fucking pink.



Subject: Freal?
Date: May 03 2007 08:20:18 AM
Author: Fishwife

This girl's really fuckin' cheesy. Any guy that has some semblance of taste would hopefully be attracted to her for a few seconds and would then be reminded that conversation would be no more than what else she could possibly do to emulate someone else's life she read about in Us Weekly.

At least this is what I'm hoping as I'm a girl. This is a classic example of a really pretty girl with a good body that by deciding to appeal to brain-dead (or just really horny) dimwits such as herself ends up looking kinda like trash. She'd look so much better if she were polished. Classy broads will ALWAYS be a do.



Subject: wait
Date: May 03 2007 07:55:09 AM
Author: nagib

she's hot times a million



Subject: .
Date: May 03 2007 06:57:39 AM
Author: .

if she were going to a don't party than vice would think it ironic and she'd be a do. Irony, as lame as it is, is still all this mag responds to. If you're nyc or japanese fug, you're a do. If you're clueless as to how smarties dress and act, like this girl, you're a don't. As cold as it seems, they get all warmhearted over the mom in Chanel boots and the handsome hipster drinking wine on a bike. It's really no different from any regime.



Subject: i reckon...
Date: May 03 2007 06:20:13 AM
Author: yeah, shes ok

face it, she pulls this shit off, she looks ok, i would look twice at this girl in the street, i would, and im going to LA the day after tomorrow so im going to look out for her.



Subject: 50/50
Date: May 03 2007 05:00:28 AM
Author: Halldor

Hideous color, that's for sure. However it's revealing and she has the body to pull it off. Neglecting that she's an attention whore of the worst caliber I'd say this falls into the "acceptable once" category.



Subject: More for me
Date: May 03 2007 02:54:13 AM
Author: Pinky Tuscadero

Just say you're pissed cause this LA. Again. Has to be a Don't if she's on Hollywood Blvd. Ain't no other way around it. You know the rules.



Subject: Dialectical approach
Date: May 03 2007 02:38:24 AM
Author: Mr Viceguy

I think you need to see the dialectics of Dos and Don'ts, people. It's about a FASHION-do or a FASHION-don't, not a "would I do her or not?"

Are pink tracksuits a fashion don't? Sure they are. Would I do this hot girl? Sure I would.



Subject: jesus
Date: May 03 2007 02:33:59 AM
Author: mr magic bean juice

fuck, some of you people are retarded. try to understand what a do and a don't is before you say OMGWTFPWNZOR SHES HOT ID HIT THAT OMG HOW IS THAT A DONT VICE ARE GAY CUZ THEY SED THAT IS A DONT WTF!!!1eleven



Subject: track suits
Date: May 03 2007 02:05:27 AM
Author: hollywood_hillbilly

What about people who actually run track? This don't is just more proof that VICE editors are gay. She is none of the negatives you ascribe to this garment. You fags would rather suck Perez' shit covered dick than admit you would like to fuck this girl=you are gay.



Subject: i guess
Date: May 03 2007 01:52:22 AM
Author: yowza

if this girl was three feet tall, she'd represent the boners-for-twelve-year-olds guild in munchkinland.



Subject: a comment on the pic
Date: May 03 2007 01:47:44 AM
Author: dave

that bitch? hot as hell and wants to fuck even if you don't really want to fuck anymore.



Subject: Check Up
Date: May 03 2007 01:39:26 AM
Author: Eye Doctor

Time for the Vice staff member who labeled this a don't to get his annual exam. Clearly, optical signals are not reaching his brain. She is a DO, in every sense of that word. So what is she is wearing a pink track suit. She makes that shit look good.



Subject: hell no!!
Date: May 03 2007 01:30:44 AM
Author: eltonbong on myspace

Ok, whoever wrote that is either a bitchy fat chick, or bitchy gay dude!
Either way, my name is eltonbong and I am a Vice-a-holic!



Subject: ---
Date: May 03 2007 01:29:38 AM
Author: ---

i guess...



Subject: you've got
Date: May 03 2007 01:27:58 AM
Author: to admit

she does have a nice ass and thighs from what i can see of them. very do-able



Subject: failed 'dont'
Date: May 03 2007 01:14:13 AM
Author: honest joe

any chick with that ass, lower back, and stomach is Exempt from ALL "dont's" that Highlight said parts.

... when i looked at this photo i didnt notice any jewelry, shoes, or clothes for a good 15-20seconds.



Subject: yeesh
Date: May 03 2007 12:41:47 AM
Author: mmmm

I wouldn't mind greasing up and sliding into those tracki daks with her. Me thinks there'd be no room to move but in.



Subject: yes
Date: May 03 2007 12:21:53 AM
Author: and yes

true that. i fucking hate track suits. especially pink ones. ESPECIALLY on fat people.



Subject: tt
Date: May 03 2007 12:03:23 AM
Author: tt

plus greaseball wiseguys



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