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![]() ![]() Before we bust out the .50 caliber rifles and start shooting people from a mile away it’s important to know exactly who we’re talking about. Your parents, the baby boomers, are between 40 and 60 years old. They “stopped a war.” They “can’t remember the 60s” and they ruined everything for every generation to come. Though their politics were knee-jerk liberal 25 years ago, today they combine the worst of both parties. They pretend to be Democrats but secretly vote Republican at the last second so they don’t have to pay taxes on the incredible amount of income they’ve accrued doing nothing. Almost everything bad about today can be traced back to them. The lack of honesty in the media is from their old hippie propaganda. The incredible debt we’ve been burdened with is from their overspending.
THEY INVENTED “SELF”
WHAT IS IT WITH THE KIDS TODAY?
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Nah, i see that attitude in everyone of any generation,it amounts to a generally switched-off, TV watching apathy that permeates western and occidental society in the 21st century.my ma is happy to repeat blairite british dogma, because she is programmed by the news media.Meanwhile, any major social issues of the mainstream media that impinge on her life......nachtt!JUST REPEAT THE AUTHORITARIAN MEDIA VIEW WITHOUT NEVER KNOWING ANYONE,LET ALONE WHO YOUR KIDS ARE!!!!!!!!!! Subject: this article Date: May 12 2007 08:27:30 PM Author: uber "The generation of today's young adults under 25 and teenagers most resemble are the dying GI generation, the people who are the foot soldiers in World War II and the Rosie the Riveters. That was the generation that was known for its civic purpose and teamwork and upbeat attitudes and institutional trust. The fact that they are dying means that we have this perceived need in our society for something to replace that. And what is interesting...is that this is how today's young millennials can rebel, like being like that generation and stepping into that void. And so rather than being echo boomers, they're anti-boomers" Im not from Generation X like most of the commenters, but my parents are baby boomers and my god this article just embodies every aspect of them. And it looks like our generations (though specifically Y in this article) emulates the Generation of the vets etc that this article appears to admire. Subject: boomerbeatdown Date: May 11 2007 01:47:15 PM Author: squirrilla my penance today for x generation is to beat the shit out of some fucking boomer minivan dad Subject: no not at all Date: May 10 2007 04:14:58 PM Author: rizz my parents are cool, they're 41, and nothing relates to them. everyone should have parents like me Subject: . Date: May 09 2007 07:56:46 PM Author: Chris • There are 5 billion people in the world living in countries poorer than Mexico and that number adds 80 million to itself every year. They can’t be saved. Cut them loose. Fine article till you bitch about hypocrisy and how the baby boomers dont care about the poor AFTER the above statement. Subject: Wow Date: May 09 2007 06:39:58 PM Author: Julie Great article. The best you've had in a while. It wasn't just nasty, it was justifiably nasty. Subject: Divorce. Date: May 09 2007 10:12:54 AM Author: square A mixture of 'free-love' and feminism tore down the institution of marriage and forgot to put anything in its place. I'm by no means a rick santorum asshole, but my parents have 5 divorces between them and I am the product of their middle marriage to each other. Seriously, fuck the boomer's and their entitlement to bliss. Because my parents couldn't stand to be unhappy for a nanosecond I'm going to have to take care of them, individually, when they get old instead of them taking care of each other. All this after they failed to take care of me becasue they were too busy 'finding themselves.' And there is no fucking way I am procreating with the third wave feminist velocoraptors that prowl the earth these days. There is no way to keep an educated woman happy when, if a homemaker she wants to be in the workplace, and if in the workplace she wants to be a homemaker. I'm just going to make a shit-load of money and stare at the harbor from my 30th floor condo as civilization crumbles. Subject: Leah: Agreed Date: May 08 2007 09:49:18 PM Author: Joe And it's pretty patronising. The one thing this article is more or less right about is postmodern critical theory, but most boomers have no idea the level of BS it's been taken to, and our generation has to take some of the blame for actually swallowing it. Subject: fd Date: May 08 2007 12:30:34 AM Author: leah this is neo-conservative crap. just because you say 'fucking' a lot and use unsympathetic hyperbole doesnt make it hip and innovative. you sound like every baby boomer's parent. Subject: stats Date: Feb 20 2007 04:44:03 AM Author: earth tones Oh yeah, and for all you amateur sociologists out there, I'm a 26 y.o. male and I was born in 1980. Subject: I still listen to Cat Stevens Date: Feb 20 2007 04:16:08 AM Author: earth tones Okay VICE, where do I begin to counter this piece of borderline neo-conservative propaganda? First, I'll never get tired of hearing Jimi Hendrix playing anywhere. Second, I'm happy my parents got divorced because my father was an abusive alcoholic who was always unemployed and mistreated my mother. Third, I much prefer these feel good fathers of my girlfriends who aren't trying to shoot at me or intimidate the fuck out of me when I date their daughter. You're argument about women in the workplace IS antiquated and offensive, and eerily reminiscent of the stuff that women were being hit with when they first tried to get out of the home. I also like armpit hair on girls and I'm not a freak because of it. Subject: Dianka Date: Feb 20 2007 12:22:49 AM Author: Dianka Buy Viagra at Lowest Price - http://doctors-on.blogspot.com/ Subject: asjdfkl;wje Date: Feb 18 2007 08:06:07 AM Author: niggahwahttt fuck man, postmodernist theory is the most irrelevant shit, art theory is the most irrelevant shit, I mean, obviously foolz not going to give a fuck what the guy meant, foolz gunna take it for what he makes of it, common fucking sense. Philosophy is fucking stating the obvious and being a pretentious prick. I need a boot. Subject: rip rippity rap Date: Feb 16 2007 08:03:59 PM Author: emily i love talking to my dad about rap Subject: There is no evil Date: Feb 15 2007 09:50:40 PM Author: Playing your record backwards.... 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Subject: Actually Date: Feb 13 2007 06:41:24 PM Author: Pissbird, PA I can't imagine what kind of insufferable nancy boy reads vice, takes issue with something said, and then comments online, starting their uninteresting, sarcastically polite, pedantic, often incorrect harangue with "Actually." Whoever you are, die. Subject: Vice is its parents Date: Feb 12 2007 11:22:03 PM Author: hey Actually it was the WWII generation that built and moved to the suburbs when the boomers were just kids. Subject: personal Date: Feb 12 2007 05:48:20 PM Author: Red The "they make it personal" part applies more to kids today imo. Subject: lame Date: Feb 12 2007 01:34:17 PM Author: rusty boomers sucked at your age and you are sucking right now......just wait 25 years and your kids will fill you in on the details. 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Subject: propaganda Date: May 14 2006 11:55:46 PM Author: G-dog I think yer pissed mostly at some iconized view of boomers you get from MSM. "Boomers" itself is just a demographic marketing concept. Century of Self - documatary - a psyop developed to get people into WW One to "spread democracy" and turn people into consumers and trust the govt, how to tap into emotions and symbols. In the 60's, corp marketing had to do psych surveys and computer analysis to figure out how to produce and sell to a bunch of iconoclasts who seemed to refuse labels. Rejection of consumerism was scary for the bottom line. They figured out how to work that. Hippies - mostly bored kids who wanted to party, a subset who protested Vietnam when the blood started getting too thick. Some had idealism, some wore idealism like a fashion. Some were serious, then disillusioned by assassinations and cop violence. Liberal policies - created by CIA+CFR related institutes, and marketed with a liberal spin. Much Liberal media and "news" is funded by Bilionaires. Ford, Carnegie, Rockefeller, MacArthur. Or would you prefer American Enterprise and Hudson? Feminism - great in concept, but Gloria Steinem was funded by CIA, she admitted that. The economic waste of the budget went to war and corporate pillage. Sometimes disguised in tie-dye values by clever marketing. Who wants food stamps, ADM wants food stamps. Subject: Analyze the FSCKING PAST NUBS Date: May 12 2006 12:38:56 PM Author: prison Whoever posted about getting into prison being so easy needs to think more... Everyone does... In the past, youd be HUNG FOR SHOPLIFING A PEICE OF BREAD or your HANDS CUT OFF. I would much rather spend 4 years in jail. People need to analyze the past before making comparissons. So many times I hear women saying "Im not going to have kids becuase I dont want to raise them in the kind of place the world is today" WHAT THE FUNK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, In ANY TIME IN HISTORY has the quality of living been better? Have the hardships not been lower? Has there been less crime? A few hundred years ago your kid would go outside get r4ped abuducted killed and boiled alive in an acid vat, and NOTHING WOULD HAPPEN ABOUT IT. People would raid vilages on horse back killing the men rapign the women and children and taking the children as slaves, COMMON PRACTICE OF THE ERA. Guns are out of control in america now? Think back to the western days, EVERY PERSON IN AMERICA HAD A GUN. When the country was founded, arms were incredibly popular, it was extreme common place for a young settler boy of 15 to have a rifle. In the wild west days, and gold expansion era, The average person of any type owned a firearm. And death from being shot was about 3000% more common then it is now. People just want to have narrow minded views. There is NEVER black and white, always ONLY GREY. I can PROV Subject: Being a Boomer.... Date: Apr 11 2006 11:24:02 AM Author: Weltner To paraphrase an infamous phrase fromn one of the biggest hit films of the Boomer generation: "Being a Boomer means never having to say you're sorry." Or:"....never,ever having to admit you're opinions and attitudes about America/Western Civilization/Their Parents and any of the things they held dear/White People,are wrong in any - or every - way." Or:"....means never having to apologize to the innocent people and countries,or high school/college education,or families,or traditions held as sacred by generations past,that you've wrecked." Or:"....means you'll never get truly and rightfully punished." Subject: Stale Date: Mar 19 2006 08:23:28 PM Author: Kevin About 10 years late on this stunningly bland and trite criticism. You know, that whole Generation "X" thing. Subject: About time somebody said it! Date: Jan 22 2006 01:37:31 AM Author: Cody I agree with the article, and everything it said. I hate them and there kids.... it will not start getting better until about three generations down the road... Subject: prison Date: Dec 19 2005 02:44:55 PM Author: thesaint It's really sad that prison is so easy to end up in these days. That's what happens when you start defining more and more things as 'crimes'. A huge number of our criminals these days are a byproduct of the 'war on drugs'. so we've got a bunch of weed dealers doing 5-10 years and getting their asses pounded for no real crime committed. This country does have some pretty sick values. Subject: Disagree Date: Dec 06 2005 12:05:29 PM Author: Roman Liked the article but thinks our generation is even worse: We rich white kids are Angry, Spoiled and Desperate. We just realise things are much toughter than expected once we leave the nest. We'll just have different lives and we need to admit it. The hardship ahead will make us heroes or losers. Subject: impressed to say the least Date: Nov 29 2005 04:32:25 PM Author: Rose, Scotland cool site, new to me! will bookmark and be back! Subject: more of this, although its crap. Date: Nov 22 2005 11:00:21 AM Author: Fritz i love vice mag. yes, i really do, and i enjoy reading it, tho this article is a rant full of pathetic complaints. but what's wrong with pathetic complaints? at least as long as they're written in an entertaining fashion, like vice is definitely able to deliver. getting back to serious, i have to admit that this abovementioned generation does have bigger difficulties revolting against their fathers than any other before. so you have to give it a try. or grow up and die stupid. Subject: right on Date: Nov 23 2005 12:12:06 AM Author: phalus diller this article was incredibly inspiring. fuck those niggas for real. Subject: stupid Date: Nov 15 2005 12:46:09 PM Author: panzer you are hippies you stupid fucker Subject: Liberals call everyone a "nazi" Date: Nov 14 2005 02:05:16 PM Author: asdf Hey Vice, so liberals call anyone who disagrees with them a "Nazi?" Kind of like how all you right-wing assholes call everyone who disagrees with you a "hippie" or "commie?" Subject: Are you kidding? Date: Oct 31 2005 05:34:02 PM Author: G Flake Of course you are not, but what are your solutions. It is easy to criticize and find fault with others. This diatribe may all be true, but so what. What plans do you have for your own lives and the world, what dreams, what desires? On another note, I'm on the edge of generations born in the 60's, black, well educated, male and I now live in a European country. I am not a baby-boomer, nor a gen-Xer. And what is the time spread for a generation anyway, 15, 20 yrs? Creating generational distinction is a marketing ploy at its very core. Whether it is claiming the right to call yourself a (____ generation) American based on the number of years that have passed since your familial anscestors jumped ship and first made claim to this land; or some consumer product company trying to find a way to sell you a magazine subscription. A generation is an artificial, made-up concept. It means nothing. While this is a hilarious harangue on the co-opting of values and principles, you forget that historically public declarations in this country (USA) have always been different from how people actually behaved and lived. I am willing to bet that your generation will follow the same course. The movements of mass consciousness in the 60's changed the circumstances of my future. I challenge you to propose solutions to raise the levels of awareness, rather than merely stating the obvious. It's your turn! Subject: the boomer generation Date: Oct 30 2005 01:33:05 AM Author: artemisg6 I think this article had definate truth to it, which most of us readers regardless of age should be able to admit. I too worry that our generation will become as bad as they have as we age. Back when I was in college and on LSD one time I had a revelation that the most valuable thing I could do with my life was create beauty. Then about 5 years of extreme poorness and wandering later I had another revelation that the most valuable thing I could do with my life was know how to do something useful, an actual skill, so I am back in school now to be a physical therapist. But mostly I wish I was as funny and irreverant as the other people who responded to this article. I hope that we will always be so funny and crass and harsh. There is some deep value and truth in that and it makes whatever generation we are called a force to be reckoned with. Subject: Interesting Date: Oct 28 2005 02:53:59 PM Author: Wayne Although this article seems to mostly refer to US issues, there are a few things that ring true about the UK as well. Especially in the business areas. I myself recently got on of those free job promotions, essentially just a change of title. 'We're going to give you more responsibility and more work, for the same pay.' Erm, thanks. Yet you can't really do anything because you get put in a mindset that if you take everything they give you just might, someday, actually earn a decent wage. The sooner people wake up and realise this isn't going to happen, the better. Subject: would you believe? it's a happening Date: Oct 25 2005 07:15:54 PM Author: jimmy carl black From what I understand Boomers came from the baby boom after WW2, right? So, for the record the Beatles, Jimi Hendricks, along with other classic rockers and the freedom riders were all technically boomers. This article was great though! If anything it brought me closer to my Republican boss who agreed with every word. Subject: As Edgey as Ska Date: Oct 24 2005 11:21:02 AM Author: Darth At a certain point, every new idea becomes fossilized. The innovators hire interns to do their jobs, and what was a phenomenon becomes a subculture. This article is proof that Vice has attracted a flock of sheep, like straightedge, or SHARPS, or those prep school grads who follow Phish around in their Volvos. In 2005, Vice is about as edgey as ska. Wake up, dumbasses, it's OVER! The intern who wrote this boring and spineless article should go work for some bleeding-heart NGO in DC, go to grad school, or just commit suicide. Vice is finished and so is Brooklyn. Subject: Destructive Generation Date: Oct 24 2005 11:08:07 AM Author: Jason Gilmour For a good look back at 60's radicals read The Destructive Generation. Subject: asymmetrical economics Date: Oct 24 2005 07:20:17 AM Author: ibid Did you guys miss the meeting where we decided to engineer the dotcom boom and bust as a means of spending their 401k's? Subject: Fuck Vice Date: Oct 23 2005 02:28:20 PM Author: Dan the Taliban Stop acting like you are not rich whitebred punks yourselves. Oh, baby boomers suck do they? Lets all salute Captain fucking Obvious. Their parents sucked just as much, and obviously, so do their kids. Subject: easy Date: Oct 23 2005 12:20:58 PM Author: dion if the men don't want to be r aped then they should stay out of prison. what kind of a stat is that anyway Subject: easy Date: Oct 23 2005 12:17:53 PM Author: dion the dudes sexually abusing* the dudes in prison are probly in there for seexually abusing women ( same as the suckers getting sexually abused, probably). wankers. *vice edited out 'r a p i n g'. so much for comments in context Subject: Boomers and their liberal bullshit Date: Oct 22 2005 11:12:22 PM Author: Jonathon Boner (Butt Man) I was watching Erin Brockavich the other night and googled it and ended up on this google tangent where I saw a site called "Weird Republic." One of his articles was about Brown vs the Board of Education was a crock of shit and all the socialogical research they did was hippy propaganda. It is so typical of the boomer mentality. It reminded me of what this whole article is about. Bascially, the reason we decided to assimilate schools is black kids were feeling bad about themselves. This was proven by showing them a black barbie and a white barbie and asking who's prettier. Only, Barbie didn't make black barbies so these retarded hippy dippy professors had to make one out of paint and glue and curly hair shit. No wonder they thought the black doll was ugly. Even if you don't care about segregation this article pretty clearly shows how the whole Daily Show mentality is rooted in German Marxism. http://www.weirdrepublic.com/episode66.htm Subject: ovaries Date: Oct 22 2005 11:06:18 PM Author: Feminazi yes you have a brain but the pendulum has swung the other way. Now every ex-generation x girl is 35 and realizing that yes, actually, she does want babies. Only now it costs $9,000 in fertility drugs that can trigger breast cancer and other medical nightmares. You're going to want kids so you might as well not wait until the very last possible second. Subject: Bra burners?! Date: Oct 21 2005 05:59:07 PM Author: Olga Stop hating on emancipation and abortion, fuckers. Just because a man is hung like a moose, doesn't mean he has to star in porn, and just because I have a uterus doesn't mean it has to be stuffed with somebody's stupid babies. Aside from ovaries, I have a brain, and I would like to be able to use without being reminded everyday about those oocytes I'm wasting every month. Subject: old gristle for the mill Date: Oct 20 2005 10:44:00 PM Author: sick I just finished reading an investigation presented by the swedish governments Central Beureau of Statistics (SCB). It was basically about the increasing generation divide, and actually mentions the risk for a generation war. It did actually make the headlines, but onily in the newspapers distributed for free in the subway (in Stockholm, Sweden), like Metro and City. Poverty amongst young people in Sweden has increased dramatically, and welfare increased amongst old people (ages 50-60), although young people are better educated etc. Check it out (summary in english at the end of the PDF-file "hela publikationen" =whole publication): http://www.scb.se/templates/publdb/publikation____2725.a sp&plopnr=2267 it's like a no cuss word version of this article, onily dry as scoal. or don't bother... whatever Subject: hypocrisy Date: Oct 20 2005 01:45:04 PM Author: narc Vice does not hate Baby Boomers. Me own eyes have seen a few of the boys from Vice grovel at the feet of baby-booming, privileged hoteliers, grinning and slobbering like Dirk Diggler's girlfriend. So then, the point of this article? Nothing sells like controversy. Subject: this is pretty good Date: Oct 20 2005 06:43:33 AM Author: name the only thing i really dont get is the Zep bash. i can understand hating a lot of the boomer, 60's music, although i dont hate all of it, but Zep??? Knocking Zep by some idiot named "Nikki Sixx"??? The guy looks like an overweight transvestite, not to mention the other retards in his band.... if you dont dig Zeppelin, no if you dont think Robert Plant is the greatest frontman ever you're an idiot. Simple as that. He makes Mick Jagger look like a spastic monkey, and I love Mick, the Stones are the fucking Stones, but Robert Plant??? C'mon....I mean he stuck a live shark up a 14 year old groupies puss for a laugh...and John Bonham? If he's not the greatest drummer in all music ever, then who is...???? otherwise, yeah pretty nice article. very true, the boomers do suck ass its bloody true. sure you've gotta do more than just complain about it, but what is written here is very very true. Subject: baby boomers... Date: Oct 19 2005 11:15:01 PM Author: jerouel yeah, they fucking smell and are annoying! enough! Subject: right, and - Date: Oct 18 2005 05:47:59 PM Author: F. Dembo - that's why I said it was anecdotal. But if you want to go to the facts, you could look at the fact that the boomer-filled American workforce continues to work more hours per week than most other first world countries. you could look at the massive increase in the boomers' generation of student loan debt (which, by definition, has to be worked off). there is some element of truth in a lot of this stuff, and it's pretty funny. but it's not written or thought through precisely enough to actually be the coherent worldview that it clearly thinks it is. Subject: Why do you have to swear so much? Date: Oct 18 2005 04:17:41 PM Author: Anita-Vagina Fucking baby boomers fuck off..shit..fucking penis in fucking vagina. Fucking fuck etc. Subject: classic boomer reasoning Date: Oct 18 2005 11:21:08 AM Author: Bobby Lemieux "this massively generalized anti-baby boomer thing which cuts against the experience of everyone else I know" this is CLASSIC boomer thought. You say a scientific fact like, "Women's ovaries start to deplete at 30 and are all but gone by 35" and they say, "I know a woman who had a baby at 42." Good. I'm glad you know a freak. I'm glad you know boomers who worked hard. Congratulations. Unfortunately there is a world outside your small circle of friends. This issue is simply a way of looking at the world. Some use race to define what's right and wrong and where their place is. Some use astrology. Using an "us and them" model of the mess boomers made and the way we've been asked to clean it up, seems like a pretty solid way to look at our world today. Oh and by the way, saying corporate culture is the REAL problem is a red herring. Boomers ARE corporate culture. As the article says, "Globalism is just an extension of their 'save the world' dogma." Subject: and Date: Oct 18 2005 12:49:33 AM Author: F. Dembo it's not that the ideas are necessarily wrong, it's that they're delivered in way that's so smug in an un-self-aware way that seems to really think that it's laying down the final word--like promoting the problems-with-democracy book as if this is a mindblowing concept that no one has ever heard of, rather than an idea that's commonly discussed every goddamn day in the most mainstream outlets possible in regards to the iraqi constitution. or to pick something more anecdotal, this massively generalized anti-baby boomer thing which cuts against the experience of everyone else I know, whose boomer parents all worked their way through college and then got up at 6 am every day for the next 30 years to take the kids to school before going to work. again, it's not that the ideas are bad, or badly expressed, it's just that it's all done within such a context of anger and laziness that it's almost sad, because it's clear that vice will never put forth the intellectual effort required to actually join the debate. Subject: well... Date: Oct 18 2005 12:01:08 AM Author: F. Dembo the great thing about writing like this is that it's hilarious and provides a completely unusual perspective. the problem is that perspective is usually just an extreme interpretation of a few fungible de-contextualized facts. for example, this idea that the vice geniuses have revolutionized the publishing industry. well, of course it's more efficient to more or less self-publish when the only things your magazine does are articles about youth culture and smart-assed op-eds that use other people's research. so yes, you put the village voice out of business - fine. but the allegedly stupid "baby boomer" model (created by magazines like time, life, new york, the new yorker and esquire well before the baby boomers got ahold of them) is still the undisputed champ if you want to put out something that 1) makes a shitload of money (go look at the top ten mags by circulation and they're all managed top down) 2) has influence on the culture of ideas (having someone review and criticize your writing can occasionally be a better way of forming an idea than just churning it out like a total skater-punk quark-using badass) or 3) has enough artistic merit to evoke any reaction besides revulsion or wry, condescending laughter (see #2). Subject: stoopid Date: Oct 17 2005 12:05:33 PM Author: marcia half funny BUT....I still want to know how to kill my parents. I can't wait for the nursing home thing. Subject: Corporations Date: Oct 17 2005 12:09:30 PM Author: continued t's gettin real bad quickly as many agree on this page. there will be a horribly violent response to this probably, in about 20-30 years (prozac, bud and HDTV is slowing down the response time), and it's going to be very very awful (I'm speaking about the wars involving Vice's typical constituency, like myself, because terribly awful wars are going on right now and human savagery is alive and well as ever, with new and improved weapons) - but after all that gore, when it all reformulates, when new societies (or anarchist microcosms) are built, will we have learned anything? Can we start preparing now? Subject: it's the CORPORATIONS stupid Date: Oct 17 2005 11:20:23 AM Author: funktrip@hotmail.com You're good at pointing out the problems, excellent in fact, kudos. But as to the causes of expensive education, growing prison populations, stagnated wages, broken family structure, etc. - the roots of these problems go back further than 40 years. Recall that only landowners could vote in 1776 (which was actually quite a development from 300 years prior where the only ones who had any say were people who could kick some serious ass and burn down villages well) and that's been the general idea ever since, with campaign financing. Moreover, the rise of the corporation in the early part of this century and then again in the 90s has been devasting - yet also rather subtle and beneath the radar - not a concentrated effort (nor lack thereof) by a group of people born in a certain decade with lame ideas. But our country - no, our race (humans) has had a rich-get-richer development since serfdom. Stratification exists in every country on the planet. It's no accident that people evolve towards apathy either if one looks at our basic biology. I don't think anyone at Vice would work 5 days a week if they could accomplish everything in two. There's always going to be a natural progression towards this type of world - some people innately want more, and there tend to be some strong correlations between this desire, genetics and testosterone. It all just seems much much worse these days though due to our digression from monopoly-busting and tolerance of outsourcing - shi Subject: Say what you will Date: Oct 15 2005 02:11:18 PM Author: Johnny Like this article or not, it certainly makes us all look at what's to come. Looks pretty shitty if you ask me, and I point no finger at anyone. It's all just cause and effect from the second two branes collided sending energy into a void. Matter, galaxies, planets, life, us. I've seen a lot people from our generation having kids in fucked up situations. There's our new cause, we'll see about the effect when those rats grow up....and on and on and on....until..... Me, I'm just waiting for the next natural disaster...and I don't mean some wimpy hurricane.....I mean like the massive caldera under Yellowstone finally blowing it's lid. Some global shit. The Earth needs to do a little house cleaning. Subject: . Date: Oct 14 2005 02:24:01 PM Author: christian zombie vampires yep, ageism. i'm 24. i agree about how retarded boomers are. and based on everyone my age i've ever met (poor, rich, cool, lame, rebellious, materliast, whatever) as well as youth polls, our generation seems BETTER and the world would be a better place etc etc blah blah. BUT... no matter how awesome we are there is no gaurauntee 90% of us are not going to become sentimental hypocritical retards when we get older. Subject: Subject: Date: Oct 14 2005 05:03:50 AM Author: señor butthole the twins part i dunno... i mean... that's not news. that was filler on news magazine shows like 5 years ago and came to a head with the spate of like 20 different couples having septuplets over the course of 6 months. and you don't "run out of ovaries" and miscarriages aren't really that much of a gross out. skulls crushed by polyp forceps and scräped out of a birth canal like a big bloody booger. THAT'S grossout. Subject: Gavin is good Date: Oct 12 2005 05:00:42 PM Author: lover I love Gavin MacGinnis...I want to have wildly hot sex with him while discussing politics. I get wet just reading this article. Subject: WHOSE GENERATION?? Date: Oct 13 2005 01:20:06 AM Author: COT DEATH CHRIS This article is not about a Boomer Generation; rather the White American Educated Middle Classes who made up only a tiny percentage. Their narcissism is the product of privilege, not the fact they were born during the Baby Boom. Many parents from that era share few Boomer attributes. The 11-Plus exam put a ceiling on the aspirations of Working Class Brits, conditioning them to follow their parents from school into the factory, with the partying and political exploration of university life being the luxury of kids with whom they hadn’t mixed since primary school. They were mods in the 60s, not hippies. Vietnam was, for them, a distant, intangible headline. They neither took, nor knew anybody that took drugs, save a few pills nicked from the bathroom cabinet, and the closest they came to a Summer of Love was watching Easy Rider. They were married by 20 through custom or fear of being left on the shelf. They prospered during the 70s but the Thatcher government ensured any excesses of the 80s eluded them. They have never been liberal - their politics, if any, are socialist but their views are conservative and borderline racist. They are not media savvy but are instead the dupes of marketing. The only reason they are behaving anything like Baby Boomers now the kids have left home is because people they have absolutely nothing in common with have sold them the divorce, sports car and Spanish villa trappings of the Midlife Crisis for so long the shit is finally starting to stick. Subject: hmm Date: Oct 12 2005 12:36:26 PM Author: Ryan B. I think the only sentence with truth in this whole article was, "Same shit, different day." Get over yourself. No one trusts the past generation, it's been that way for years. Bitching about it doesn't do a damn thing either. You can't do anything about it, I can't do anything about it, NO ONE CAN. Ever see the original Planet of the Apes? There's a line in that movie: "Don't trust anyone over 30." That line is just as true 30 years ago as it is today. I guess people need something to hang on to, right? That fake thing called "hope." Guess why you're the ones doing the writing, eh? Subject: Are you fucking nuts? Date: Oct 11 2005 08:57:05 PM Author: Harvey Jinglejuice I like the article, but only because it chimes in with one thing I have noticed in life: we're kinda fucked. Except the vice guys -- they have a would-be media empire on tap. and the google guys -- who have pretty much become china. i'm 33 and i hate my life, i want to torch it -- even though i live in a great loft three blocks from the vice ediotrial offices and i have a job on a better magazine than theirs. i'm scared to death that on any given weeknight i am going to chop off a finger while drunkenly slicing up limes for the vodka tonics that it takes to make my life tolerable. the boomers fucked me, and they'll fuck you too. Subject: This rocks! Date: Oct 11 2005 08:52:47 PM Author: Stephen I was born in 1954, and I LOVE this article. I don't agree with everything in it, but I went to college when the first generation of baby boomers were just starting their college takeover. I hated their smug self-righteousness. You nailed just about everything. However, I still listen to Elvis, so I'm not apologizing for my music. Great article. Subject: toiletpaper Date: Oct 11 2005 06:11:59 PM Author: adi human then is human now. yeah i hate what my parents stand for but cant help but wonder what the hell they think iam gonna do with the next 5o years. if you ask me none of us are worth saving Subject: RE: read newsweek Date: Oct 11 2005 10:32:44 AM Author: Schmemmeli Yes, I think it would be great to hire some great "writters"--but where, oh, where will we find them? Subject: # Date: Oct 10 2005 11:40:01 AM Author: Boomer banger Yes the baby boomer made many mistakes just as every generation, yet what about the mistakes of the vice generation? First and foremost i have never fully understood your generation, what are you? Subject: cultural change is glacier slow Date: Oct 09 2005 11:15:24 PM Author: I'm witty and contrary Yeah, you're right, everything WAS better before the boomers, when we had Jim Crow and a closet so deep it didn't seem to exist. Subject: this dumb debate Date: Oct 09 2005 11:34:25 AM Author: your mother instead of whinging and bitching about the godawful mess our parents have left, why not focus on fixing something. For christ's sake, the majority of what the author is complaining about is activities of corporations and governments, not average people. Blaming average people will not, then, accomplish anything. And if you don't like a movie, don't watch it. If you don't like Newsweek, read the Post. That finely-targeted marketing the author is so enamored with results in audience oriented media outlets. Meaning, of course, that newsweek is by and for the boomers, not for us. We have our own forums. Get over it. Whiny little blindered bitch. Subject: that thing Date: Oct 08 2005 11:01:18 AM Author: Astronaldo If you wanna be like your grand-parents "working-class-tough-as-nails-nose-to-the-grindstone-wa r-vet" generation I'd suggest getting a real job... that or how about becoming a vet yourself? Kinda sucks when you actually have to do it as opposed to talk about it, huh? Subject: Will Drickel Date: Oct 07 2005 09:34:29 AM Author: My scrotum It's hard these days to do anything. I can't even take a shit properly anymore because there is no privacy and too much constipation, but what can I say except "everybody go fuck yourselves!!" Subject: Do you care? Date: Oct 07 2005 09:22:27 AM Author: Meat eat If somebody fuck Bush everyday? Subject: uy Date: Oct 07 2005 07:35:15 AM Author: joip "Everything they do is in such desperate need of an overhaul being an entrepreneur feels like being a social worker but for giant babies in suits." ^The truth about everything corporate and business-like nowadays. They go on about everything being capitalistic and shit. Yeah, like it's capitalistic to have five overpaid suits making lame overly expensive decisions about stuff that doesn't matter. If we had true capitalism, four of them would be working in the gutter, and the fifth would earn half the money doing actually meaningfull work. Not because I really care about this, and probably there's even somthing good about it, like keeping people away from the gutter, but stop lying to yourself. It seems so fucking pathetic that's all. Subject: blame yourself Date: Oct 07 2005 01:01:57 AM Author: Meme You did it to yourselves: when Institution Man came to you and said, "Hey dude, we're gonna charge you a bazillion dollars for a substandard college degree. You ok with that?" You didn't say "FUCK NO!" and take over the Admin Building. YOU said "Sure, sir! Whatever you say, sir! Cuz like I really need a job!" And when Corpo Man said, "Hey dude! Come work 80 hour weeks for minimum wage" You said, "Thank you sir! I'm a Team Player sir! Please fuck me up the ass again, sir!" You're situation is your own fault because you are conforming, cowardly, fearful, authority worshipping pussies! Subject: art Date: Oct 06 2005 06:48:13 PM Author: nizzle23 http://www.banksy.co.uk/outdoors/index.html Subject: What for? Fuck subject. Date: Oct 06 2005 06:01:29 PM Author: But I'm not a real person?! I just wish I could do something. Subject: Bon Jour Date: Oct 06 2005 05:53:44 PM Author: de la bollox Subject: YOUTH Date: Oct 06 2005 04:51:59 PM Author: RULE Shut up Alan and all the other pricks knocking Vice! Maybe the people complaining should reveal their ages or the fact they're still living with their parents. This was the best article I've ever read, especially the bit about the Boomer generation doing articles about the youth like they have a clue. Anybody see some magazine called Tank which did an article about Vice? Boomers apparently Vice is a movement or some shit like that. Subject: tan Date: Oct 06 2005 05:01:13 PM Author: L i fucking hate top 100 of fucking anything that come out from the fucking media.....shity....sorry.. Subject: we all suck Date: Oct 06 2005 04:50:33 PM Author: The Stoke Do you really think it was one generation that fucked us all?? I am 29 and Im sure my generation will fuck it all up too. Why do you hate your mother? She can suck a mean cock! We are all evil and stupid. Subject: I'd like Date: Oct 06 2005 04:51:42 PM Author: to add You know what else they've done? When ever you see those top 100 shows eg. films, bands etc... And you think 'No Fucking way! Who voted for this shit!" And then you remember whose generation these things come from. Fucking biased bastards! Subject: work ethic Date: Oct 06 2005 01:39:19 PM Author: jenny Maybe, if you spent less time bitching, everything wouldn't seem like such a fucking hardship. The crux of this whole piece basically hinges on a generation blaming our parents for the problems we face today. I got over that when I was like, 12, and used to write anger poems titled, "all alone" and "The bitch, The Oblivious One, and My Hamster, Fiji." Subject: puss Date: Oct 06 2005 06:54:03 AM Author: sir P That hairy richard kern pussy looooooooooks good! Subject: :-/ Date: Oct 06 2005 05:07:15 AM Author: betenik i liked this and i didn't. a lot of it was too ranty to read, and i guess i won't see it completely your way cos im from the uk. bet you feel better for ranting now though, dont ya? Subject: Great article Date: Oct 06 2005 02:01:55 AM Author: Jason I'm under 30 and I prefer a nicely trimmed landing strip myself. But then again, a lot of guys under 30 also know that it's no longer cool to grow sideburns on your dick either. The one thing that really pisses me off about the boomers is the fact that they cling desperately to Vietnam and the assasination of Kennedy. At least the Lost Generation gave up bitching a few years after WWI was over. The boomers just constantly piss and moan about how terrible Vietnam was. It's like no matter what, nothing will ever compare to Vietnam. Fuck you, you whiny shits. Then there's the "loss of innocence" when Kennedy was shot. We can never forget how troubling that was. An entire generation used that event, plus Vietnam as an excuse to get divorced and sleep around for twenty years or so, possibly longer. They always use young women in the ads for Valtrex (herpes medecine.) In reality, they need to use some 50-something with a burning crotch. Because they didn't make that shit for us. They made it for themselves. You'd be blown away at the number of boomers who have genital herpes as a reminder of their free lovin' days. Subject: standard, reactionary, etc. Date: Oct 05 2005 10:08:56 PM Author: Jon I'm under 30 and I fancy a hairy pussy. Subject: ! Date: Oct 05 2005 10:39:41 PM Author: UMM I HATE THIS FUCKING MAGAZINE SO MUCH Subject: This article? Date: Oct 05 2005 02:38:24 PM Author: Filthy filthy bad person... NAUGHTY This article is just as pointlessly self-indulgent as everything you're pretending to whine about. You want to talk about things to be sick and tired of? People who use any form of public media to tunnel rant about everything that pisses them off. Please, continue to act like the people you're allegedly speaking for give a fuck. No, we don't... because we're dealing with our problems with what solutions can be mustered in our current socio-economic environment. And sometimes they have to apply to our lives instead of everyone elses - my god, how shamelessly greedy! You complain about arguing with people who ask for facts, yet as I gathered from your writing, there's a tendancy to spout aggrivated bias. Subject: psuedointellectualism Date: Oct 05 2005 02:54:21 PM Author: Alan D What a pile of complete self-pitying dogshit. The world changes, by the effort of those that can be bothered. There are the "whinging whining can't be bothereds" who just whinge and whine and don't actually change anything, and there are the "righto, let's make the world a better place" types. The almost complete fucking idiot who wrote this article is the former. You want a better world?... do something about it! What actually was expressed in this blither was an extremely hateful,jealous, slightly delusional and very foolish mind... not exactly the stuff of great thinkers, but a pretty good platform for fascistic intolerance. Fuck mate, just get a life.. and buy some land somewhere if you've got the guts to slog out the payments... you'll be avery happy little fascist X-er later when it's worth millions. Side note; a trolleyload in a supermarket in 1970 was about $10-14... which probably seemd like a lot of money to an average wage earmer making about $50 per week. Got it? You're a nobrain Fuckwit. Subject: faef Date: Oct 05 2005 07:09:33 AM Author: pete tong hey afe: are you fucking stupid...its means the fucked up environment we have been left with has been blatantly caused by their refusal to give up their big cars and materialistic lifestyles Subject: efefa Date: Oct 05 2005 01:57:11 AM Author: ergdra wtf? Starts off Oz nimbin bashing, then morphs halfway through into "I am American Youth" rant about student loans and New Yorker that seems to have been written in the late 90s. Who the fuck cares about the liberal Northeast? Where the fuck's that anyway? Broome? Subject: depression? Date: Oct 05 2005 12:40:03 AM Author: j cat what's gonna happen when the boomers reach retirement age en masse (very soon, by the by..),and cash in all their stocks etc.?? SHEEEIT! Subject: Hell YES! Date: Oct 04 2005 11:40:01 PM Author: worksforaholeboomers Hell Yes, what a rip snorter of an article. Now I know why I hate the people I work for SO much...going to print this out and anonymously post it on the work notice board Subject: nyt Date: Oct 04 2005 11:21:02 PM Author: avid reader The Stephen Donaldson article you cite is from the paper you claim to hate. Subject: BBoomers - Rules Date: Oct 04 2005 09:52:28 AM Author: Q Great stuff! All I need now is a condensed version, point-form, that I can slip under my watch and spit out every time I have to 'discuss' such inane things with 'them...' "The 60's were so great..." Why didn't they stay there? I guess Joplin, Hendrix, Bolan et al knew what was coming - They checked out early, 'cause they didn't want to pay the bills. Smart. Subject: so um Date: Oct 03 2005 08:37:04 PM Author: napes the vice guide to killing your white parents isn't quite in the rankings of older guides... but i guess it works. Subject: . Date: Oct 03 2005 03:23:27 PM Author: brian this is the best thing i have ever read in my entire life, ever. Subject: like son Date: Oct 03 2005 10:40:01 AM Author: like father for the most part, this generation is a brazilian times worse...like father like son... Subject: fuckin A Date: Oct 02 2005 09:50:08 PM Author: hells yeah me and my friend bitch about the baby boomers all the time and this article was the best thing i've read in a really really long time. i'm jealous. can i work fro vice??? Subject: Big Brother Date: Oct 02 2005 02:57:57 PM Author: Anon Didn't the Patriot Act bother you at least a little? Here's someone else's point of view: http://www.americanpolicy.org/priv/main.htm http://www.911inplanesite.com/ Subject: Yeah... Date: Oct 02 2005 02:03:49 PM Author: Ryan "Sorry we’re so disillusioned with the hole you dug us." The boomers need to fucking die already and let us run the earth because lots of things would change! Hahahaha Subject: Taping Matlock Date: Oct 01 2005 07:55:48 PM Author: Jamie Funniest description of "My Generation" I have ever read. The Who produced the song, My Generation is the late 60's and it has become a painful reminder of the dismal contribution of my generation. Our statistics are sad and disturbing. Your criticism of the broken family and how we take care of ourselves and each other is on target. We have even launched a new generation of self indulgent narcissists. Come to think of it: people's just people and each generation does the best that they can - Thanks for the hearty laugh- Let's hope that we "teach our children well" and that they take care of us in our old age. Peace and blessings Subject: flaccid shafts Date: Oct 01 2005 04:29:58 PM Author: mike hunt not to mention viagra!!!limp dicks!!!! Subject: thehehe Date: Oct 01 2005 04:37:29 AM Author: agent provokotorsk i had a good time readin this. how many of your readers understand german i wonder. thar VERBOTEN thing in one line, is it widely used in the states? if so, coool! hehe, im takin vice not more serious than it should be, thats the secret for a healthy skin, peaceful mind and a great body. "PROVOKATION is a good thing. just dont be be UBERtaken by it." that was from my guide to use VICE. Subject: Echo of an echo Date: Sep 30 2005 10:43:09 PM Author: ijf9d8wn Just as the Boomer "hippies" and "feminists" were a sad echo of the important cultural changes and philosophies brought by the pre-Boomer Beats and real hippies (the '64-'66, Kesey, Cassady, acid-test angels), so is Vice just sounding like a pale, sad, self-indulgent pseudo-reactionary echo of the Gen-X "slackers" who dropped out of the Me Generation and went on to actually do cool stuff, like create the World Wide Web and a truly integrated alternative media - one that realized that places like the New York Post are cesspools of pure Nixonian evil and not kewl "blue-collar" newspapers. Ignorant and Sad. Subject: good lord Date: Sep 30 2005 05:56:53 PM Author: loyd What the fuck are you talking about? You ridicule 'post-Modernism', yet this is the most convoluted cultural theory I have ever heard in my life. What the fuck are you saying? NONE OF THIS SHIT REALLY GOES ON IN THE WORLD! Subject: Your article on Boomers Date: Sep 30 2005 05:28:41 PM Author: another @&#$ boomer I use to think just like that when I was young and stupid too. Subject: so... Date: Sep 30 2005 03:47:30 PM Author: sdf You're saying we'd be better off/better people if guerillas were throwing hand grenades at us? Yeah... It's the same objection I have to a lot of the reasoning in this article - yes, people are more self-indulgent and involved than they used to be or are in war-torn third world hellholes, but that's because our quality of life is so high. When you get rid of worries like "where can I get clean water," and "how can I not get my legs hacked off by a rival tribe," people start thinking about stupid shit like "how can I fuck my wife's friend," and "why does my teenager hate me." I'm not saying it's pretty, but surely we can all agree that it's better than the alternative. Romanticizing the tough realistic attitude of long-dead blue-collar hardasses and Iraqi militia men, when you live in modern America, is pointless and stupid. Subject: keep real Date: Sep 30 2005 12:17:48 PM Author: capitan It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the problem with Boomers (and consequentially our culture at large) is they're (we're) selfish. "Me this" and "Me that" ad nauseum. The Jean-Michel Basquiat (who would be 45) show at the LA MOCA is a perfect example of self-centered, self-indulgent shit on a canvas (although admittedly it is pretty colorful shit). Try riding on sandbags in the back of a truck packed with infantry soldiers bristling with weapons during a sandstorm up a narrow street at midnight with looming, darkened two-story buildings on each side in Terrorists Central of Tall'Afar, Iraq, with imaginary (thank God) hand grenades pitched off the roofs to remember later what you really want to do with life. Hint: Not whine about self. Subject: Right on! Date: Sep 30 2005 06:35:50 AM Author: Eddie No shit. Thank you, god save you Vice Mag, you wrote everything I've always wanted to write. Washing dishes for 40 hours a week at $7.25(oregon minimum wage/with no tips) I have thought everything you wrote, though, not so eloquently. When we(some day will)have to pay 50% of our taxes to medicare(look at it, we're screwed, it's a giant pyramid coming to crush us, there are more people wanting into into medicare than is currently fiscally available) We're going to be crushed by their largesse and detritise. Almost all of the hippies sold out, (sorry you did...) now they drive beemers and honk at me as I ride my bike(as though they are more important than me!). Fuck you! I just got off of a grave yard dishwashing job(happy to have it!), don't fuck with me! I hate you, your music and your castaway(at the closest possible moment) politics. 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