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Subject: "The Universe" eh? Date: Jan 07 2008 11:55:51 PM Author: Ellipses How tiring and cliche your insults are. Great handle, by the way. NOT! In this great universe, you are but floating space shit orbiting a lifeless planet. Jim Goad goads again. Subject: IwdhRVVRTTh Date: Jul 23 2007 08:53:02 AM Author: Anuar Cool , <a href="http://cars.cholerik.cz/nissan/nissan-houston.htm l">nissan houston </a>[url="http://cars.cholerik.cz/nissan/nissa n-houston.html"]nissan houston [/url]http://cars.cholerik.cz/nissan/nissan-houston.html nissan houston ogo, <a href="http://cars.cholerik.cz/nissan/birmingham-nissan. html">birmingham nissan </a>[url="http://cars.cholerik.cz/nissan/birmi ngham-nissan.html"]birmingham nissan [/url]http://cars.cholerik.cz/nissan/birmingham-nissan.ht ml bi Subject: leary Date: May 16 2007 01:37:57 PM Author: yep is a bunch of hot dirty diapers..a steamin' pile Subject: off Date: May 13 2007 09:06:34 PM Author: bugger "Susan Sontag was a jewess, not white. " hebraism is a religion, not a race. Subject: this is pretty good Date: May 13 2007 11:49:06 AM Author: . The only one I disagree with is the one about Kerouac. And BTW he was a Beat, not a hippie or even a boomer. Maybe a Boomer hero. Susan Sontag was a jewess, not white. Jews love to hate white people in order to play the victim role and tear down western civilization, except when they act white to elevate themselves above the schvartzes. Subject: get a life Date: Feb 16 2007 03:10:30 PM Author: gawrsh geez, who meets your impossible ideals? Subject: Attention Jim Goad: Date: Feb 13 2007 07:35:15 PM Author: The Universe Your attacks on half of these people reek of desperation and expose you as a petty and jaded little man. please do not waste our time further with your tired smear-campaigns . We would advise you to go and eat a bowl of dicks with crushed mandrax and milk, you sad and tired vulture... and then maybe..all this pain will go away. Regards, The Universe Subject: fuck john lennon Date: May 23 2006 06:31:15 PM Author: luke and fuck paul mccartney too. it's obvious that george was the talent. think about it...what was the only good post-beatles solo album by any of them? all things must pass. george was way more genuine about spirituality than john or paul. his slide playing is fucking siiick too. Subject: robert nesta marley Date: Mar 24 2006 05:17:35 AM Author: steven marley yo blood clot ya fi say that other reggea people make better tunes dan bob but how come he a go be in the hall of fame and the greatest reggae artist in the world check your facts prick yes he half white or half black but he not step on black man side nor the white man side the cancer he get is only contracted in white people not the black man desies but he was half white he aceved more in is life than you will in yours and he is still 20 odd years after death still doing more than you will ever and the truth is he could of stole your mum from ya dad or your wife from you so blood clot i take your comments as da vain pimpass paradise see coke was the thing that once you first try once a blue moon once a blue sky now u wondering who else want to go by you have no money but want to get high so u write a collum on shit the best part of you dripped down the side of ya dads leg your brains Subject: dung beatle Date: Feb 07 2006 12:04:44 PM Author: ground round goad's claim that the beatles could not play musical instruments or sing is entirely indefensible. Subject: bob marley Date: Dec 27 2005 11:40:36 PM Author: egrghghgh umm..well just because he didnt want to remove hid toe thta means he shoujld be respected for keeping to his religion;; Subject: Mine Date: Dec 04 2005 12:15:39 AM Author: Aaron mine: hunter s. thompson helmut newton guy bourdin Subject: Back in the spring.... Date: Nov 11 2005 07:26:17 PM Author: Whirlwind And don't forget,one the biggest,most hated,so-called "heroes",of the last 15 years croaked,back in the spring - I speak of Johnnie "Mistuh John-nay" Cochrane.A shitty career(Just ask Vincent Bugliosi),got a gift from Satan himself,and got,in OJ The Killuh's own words:"Absolutely,positively,100%" lucky as any black racist ever got,when A)He got a 98% black jury as racist as he is,B) the entire farce was on TV,allowing him,and his devil team to put on a show for the cameras,and drag the trial on and on,as sadisticallyand hatefully, as they wanted,and C)Got a judge had nothing even close to resembling a spine. The pathologically lying shit,constantly,and not so subtly,threatened to unleash a race riot,if he didn't get his way - Who can forget,after one of the few bad days for his team,he stated,melodramatically(And totally unconvincingly,as blacks are such shitty actors) to the TV cameras:"Stay cahm,Los Angeles....Stay Cahm" And now,like Huey Newton,George Jackson,Stokely Carmichael,Khalid Muhammad,Tupac Shakur,MLK,Elijah Muhammad,and other asshole racist blacks before him,he is frying like bacon in a skillet. Subject: And now....Rosa! #2 Date: Nov 02 2005 01:56:19 PM Author: Duke No relation to David,unfortunately. She was also a secretary/member of her local NAACP.That infamously anti-White/American group,colaborated with the CPUSA to set the whole thing up. Anyway,the funerals and services have already been going on WAY too long.I won't be surprised,if they take the corpse on tour,to other black racist hot spots,like Harlem,Brooklyn,Atlanta,New Orleans,Compton,Oakland,Berkeley,Newark,Secaucus,Philadelphi a,South Side and Cabrini Green,Chicago,Memphis,among others. Subject: woah...duke. Date: Oct 26 2005 03:24:39 PM Author: jose Is that David Duke? Ridiculous post but kudos on having the courage to speak out on the epidemic of racially motivated bus r*pes. It makes me sick to think of all the times I've had to sit there paralyzed by fear while those white-haters have their way with our women. Re-segregating might work but those animals would have to be caged in. Subject: And now....Rosa! Date: Oct 26 2005 12:30:43 PM Author: Duke Another phony civili rights "icon" finally croaks. Had affiliations with the Communist Party USA,and the CPUSA planned and orchestrated the entire bus "incident" that made her the media and snivel rights (secular)God,knowing full well what would happen - the entire media portrait of her in the incident was a total lie;she was not tiiiiirrreed or wooooorrrrrnn oooouuuuuuutt after a loooooong hard day's work,and she did not get up from her seat,that she wasn't supposed to be in because she was sooooooo exhausted from a looooong hard day.She was ACTING.She went to such a seat DELIBERATELY,because it was PLANNED THAT WAY by her CP friends!!!! And what did her "heroic" act really and truly lead to,in the long run?Buses with Black racists assaulting,robbing and raping innocent Whites and all sorts of other uncivilized and thug behavior - you know,what the left euphemizes/doublespeaks as "Progress". But don't expect TV "news",papers,or any areas of the media to mention these Unpleasant Truths,instead to just fall in lock(goose)-step with the Ministry of Truth line,and paint her with more glowing,BS/double speak terms of praise,as "Icon","equality","pioneer",&q uot;martyr","one of the great Americans","freedom fighter","symbol",etc,etc - enough euphemisms to kill and elephant. Subject: what 'bout abraham lincoln? Date: Oct 23 2005 07:26:18 PM Author: jonas salk i hurd that motherfucker wasn't even born in a logge cabin. Subject: john lennon Date: Oct 22 2005 08:11:24 PM Author: fallenempire2000 that meatmen song one down three to go was pretty fucking hilarious. Did I mention that I want to ejaculate on Chelsea Clinton's buck teeth. I would do that bitch in a second. Fuck yoko ono and fuck the beatles. Subject: john lennon Date: Oct 22 2005 08:11:24 PM Author: fallenempire2000 that meatmen song one down three to go was pretty fucking hilarious. Did I mention that I want to ejaculate on Chelsea Clinton's buck teeth. I would do that bitch in a second. Fuck yoko ono and fuck the beatles. Subject: Roxy Date: Oct 22 2005 03:03:13 PM Author: Recodo LoL Subject: Petro Date: Oct 22 2005 02:54:48 PM Author: Roxy Awww mind your own business...I did post about the article... Subject: Preschool arguments Date: Oct 22 2005 01:06:18 AM Author: Petro Look at you two...crb and Roxy. One insult after another...Each less and less creative than the last. It's quite obvious neither are going to back down, and so this article is going to get more and more full of pointless comments. All crb wants to say is Roxy is retarded...And Roxy just claims people of being insane and/or hypocritical. And I really find it quite useless to say crb and Cyru are the same people when crb merely defends Cyru. Roxy and steve caputi seem to be doing the same thing. Really. I'll just pop in and say: STFU, all of you. Stop the bickering and get back to the article. It seems that was attempted, yet Roxy wanted the last word. Exactly my point... Childish squabbles. Leave this exactly where it be and move on with your lives. Subject: crb Date: Oct 21 2005 07:27:25 PM Author: Roxy I have "officially been owned?" Please, really, you have to stop with attempted hood slang...you come off like Bryant Gumbel. That aside, you reveal yourself to be the same bitter (possibly schizophrenic) person with every bit of hatred you spew. If all you can do is call me stupid, feel free-- after all, your opinion is nothing more than a shit stain on the panties of life-- but hopefully having your attention directed at me will distract you from making inane comments about the article (you know, like flashing a shiny new coin in a retard's line of vision to keep him from falling off a sidewalk into oncoming traffic)...but probably not. No, you'll wander into traffic, sans crash helmet, time and time again. Why? Because such is the cruel joke that is your cerebral destiny. Subject: Leary...Rat? Date: Oct 21 2005 06:53:47 PM Author: Kenny H. This took two minutes: http://home.dti.net/lawserv/leary.html " But after a few months out of public view, Leary comes into the open as a government informant. Under the code-name CHARLIE THRUSH, he turns State's evidence against the Weather Underground. Freed from prison, he is taken into custody for fear that radical revolutionaries have marked him for execution. His former colleagues in the movement form a group calling itself People Investigating Leary's Lies (PILL). Abbie Hoffmann declares that "Timothy Leary is a name worse than Benedict Arnold." Allen Ginsburg says that Leary is "like Zabbath Zvi, false Messiah, accepted by millions of Jews centuries ago." If his "friends" in the Weather Underground permitted him to rat, why did he fear for his life at their hands? Why did "friends" such as Abbie Hoffman and Allen Ginsburg condemn him? Why was "People Investigating Leary's Lies" formed? Have a bad acid trip tonight, OK? Subject: Rat Until Proven Otherwise Date: Oct 21 2005 06:46:20 PM Author: Cheese-Sniffer If it took you only four minutes to research it, why was it too difficult to take the extra fifteen seconds to provide some links? Subject: Leary Date: Oct 21 2005 06:20:24 PM Author: docschwop Leary was given permission by his friends to rat on them. Also he gave it in such a way as to make nothing stick. I just re-researched this. It took me approximately 4 minutes to find this out by searching the internet. Obviously you morons have your heads up your asses. Please have a nice day. Subject: Whoa...how did you make it this far? Date: Oct 21 2005 02:32:25 PM Author: crb I am not the same person as cyru. Is it that hard for you to accept the fact that more than one person thinks you're mentally challenged? Congratulations dumbass you have now been officially owned by me now too. Go ahead and reply to this cause I promise I will read it and pity you afterwards as well as get a good laugh out of it... you crack me up! (because you think you are intelligent, I thought I would point that out to you since the reasoning behind my amusement is like most things - over your head.) Subject: Beating ones wife. Date: Oct 21 2005 04:43:25 AM Author: Gaysayers That scertainly is a pickle..... Subject: Naysayers Date: Oct 21 2005 04:39:09 AM Author: Yaysayers If one does not beat ones wife whom shall? Subject: Racist piece of shit, wifebeater! Date: Oct 21 2005 04:20:00 AM Author: Naysayers Racist piece of shit, wifebeater! Subject: y'all be dolemite 'n' shit Date: Oct 20 2005 09:20:34 PM Author: steve caputi oooh..."owned"! PIMP TALK, G! first off, "cryu" or "cyru" comes on with hostility defending some mentally impaired girl's inherently contradictory defense of john lennon in baby-poo outrage over an article that said john lennon was a hostile person who couldn't get along with anyone but pretended he was for peace...and you think that person had a point of any kind to make, much less "owned" anyone? but since you, too, are obviously too stunted to immediately apprehend where the hypocrisy lies—other than the already explained idea that only a drooling mongoloid would defend a hostile "peacemaker" with hostility in the name of peace—it's that the idiot ridiculed "Roxy" on the internet for ridiculing people on the internet. Subject: crb/cryu Date: Oct 20 2005 08:22:20 PM Author: Roxy You said you wouldn't respond and you did. That makes you a liar. And you said this: "...Tell me Roxy, do you have a life? You seem to spend a lot of time bashing peoples opinions over the net." I can guarantee you spend a lot more time on this sort of thing than I do and seem to be rather fond of "bashing opinions over the internet." That makes you a hypocrite. Now are you going to pretend that you're not the same person who posted both of these things while indicating (incorrectly of course) that I'm a retard? I predict that you'll be back... Subject: Roxy...you're a retard Date: Oct 20 2005 07:11:00 PM Author: crb What exactly makes cryu a hypocrite? Or a liar for that matter? I read their comments and yours and I still don't get it. I think cyru fucking owned you and calling them a liar and a hypocrite was the best you could do? You shouldn't even have replied and there is 2 reasons why. First of all your sorry retaliation only made cyru own you harder, and secondly, at the end of the post it stated that they weren't going to respond. Fuck man, you are really dumb... or at least you lead people to believe that. Subject: fuck this shite Date: Oct 20 2005 08:07:44 AM Author: name fuck it, i'd rather go on tour and not shower than listen to people love themselves and their opinions any day. tour's rough, mon; no money, no good food, and those hippies are fucking crazy, all wantin to blow lsd crystals in yer face and send you to the asylum if you complain about the size of yer lid. shit, who cares what some short, racist whose pissed that he aint black with a bigger dick says? Bob Marley wouldn't even bat an eye. He was a guitar player. Whats better than that, mon? Subject: Heidi Date: Oct 20 2005 03:42:55 AM Author: Roxy Seriously, Heidi, up the meds. Subject: left and right Date: Oct 20 2005 03:07:29 AM Author: steve caputi left vs. right... the biggest phony conspiracy theory of all time. we live on a globe, not a pancake. Subject: cyru Date: Oct 20 2005 01:25:02 AM Author: Roxy "I shant be reading it." ...your declaration assures me that you most certainly will tune in to read my response...so let me write it again: Hypocrite. And let me add: Liar. Subject: cyru Date: Oct 20 2005 01:21:16 AM Author: Roxy Hypocrite. Subject: Arch - Conservatives Date: Oct 20 2005 12:38:45 AM Author: Negrodamus I can't think of a more cynical nihilist than Dick Cheney. That motherfucker certainly sees the big picture. Don't you think fascism is ultimately nihilistic? Maybe "right" is a better word than conservative since, apparantly, Jim's "bad boy" lifestyle prevents the description of his politics as conservative. Subject: Kenny H. Date: Oct 19 2005 09:23:44 PM Author: Negrodamus I concede, Kenny. "Supremist" is a near obsolete word meaning "someone who takes upon himself supreme authority". Not the same as a supremacist. I only meant by "uttered" that that's what the word sounds like when it's said aloud. Yikes, nice use of multiple sources to whip my ass. Ok, I don't like Jim Goad. Neither does YAB. But I'm not YAB, pal. I'm not. Subject: Kenny Ist Korrekt! Date: Oct 19 2005 09:22:14 PM Author: Adolf Hitler He's right, kids. It's "supremacist." Subject: Supremist or Supremacist? Date: Oct 19 2005 04:38:51 PM Author: Kenny H. I said that "supremacist" was the preferred usage and would have let the matter drop, but since you tried to play smart and say "supremist" is what's "generally uttered," you continue to demonstrate an eagerness to be proven wrong. Google: "white supremacist" ... 755,000 hits "white supremist" ... 29,400 hits http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/errors.txt Common Errors in English by Paul Brians "A neo-Nazi is a white supremacist, not 'supremist.'" http://www.mootgame.com/ballast/bal634.html From "Moot, the World's Toughest Language Game"... "Which believes that whites should be supreme: the white supremacist, the white supremist, or both? "Answer: the white supremacist "To advocate that a particular group be supreme is to be a supremacist. The word supremist is not found in the Concise Oxford. " Subject: Negrodamus say, "You Lie Again" Date: Oct 19 2005 04:19:44 PM Author: Kenny H. Right. And everyone else fixates on his cowboy hat, tight jeans, and uses "Yee-Haw!" Sure. OK. Yup! Everyone else says, "Blah, blah, blah, the fact that you've blown my point to smithereens doesn't do one thing to change the bottom line that he's a bad person," etc. OKsireeebob! Sure, YAB didn't come on this thread initially with cowboy-hat comments under another name until he later admitted he was YAB. Yuppers! Goad's analysis is consistently cynical, nihilistic, and always involved with the larger picture that people miss when they get wrapped up in moral campaigns. The only moral stance he ever takes is to attack hypocrisy and dishonesty—NOT a conservative viewpoint by a long shot. The only thing he remotely shares with them is a disdain for liberals. But he has always shown a disdain for conservatives, too. The fact that you can only see the world in two flavors is your problem rather than his. By the way..."redneck" is the racist slur here, nothing that Goad is saying. He wrote a whole book about it. And your stereotypical white racist doesn't spend much time touting the intellectual superiority of nonwhites. Subject: Kenny H. Date: Oct 19 2005 03:30:44 PM Author: Negrodamus I have not yet posted on this board...I'm afraid I don't know who you're conflating my identity with. "Supremist" is in the OED, if you care. Say the term "white supremist" and then "white supremacist" out loud. I think the former spelling is more faithful to the way the term is generally uttered. Lifestyle bullshit does nothing to alter the fact that Goad is a big ole racist redneck. Other than some incongruent points about poor whites and blacks facing the same barriers, his analysis is consistently conservative. Subject: even Goad knows satirical writing.... Date: Oct 19 2005 12:23:01 PM Author: crb Everyone seems to be getting so worked up about what Heidi wrote. I think you guys need to use that thing between your ears that you all claim to have. All she wanted to do was remind people that there are freaks out there and they could strike at any moment without warning, kinda like Mark David Chapman. As far as John Lennon being great.. he was, doesn't anyone remember everything he achieved for peace? And doesn't anyone know what satire is? You obviously don't so maybe go read something more your speed, cause I think you're are borderline retarded or already fully retarded, I'm not sure which. I do know you all took Heidi's comments at face value and for that you are kinda fucked. Oh yeah John Lennon 's cause WAS bigger than Jesus and that is why he's dead. Anyone who feels differently, just go thump your bible and you'll feel much better... promise. (that was satire again incase you didn't pick up on it) Subject: Heidi David Chapman Date: Oct 19 2005 09:18:00 AM Author: John Lennon Please, Heidi, stay away from me. And return your copy of "Catcher in the Rye" to the library—it's way overdue. Subject: John Lennon—WIFEBEATER FOR PEACE! Date: Oct 19 2005 08:51:09 AM Author: Heidi Cloughless STUPID ANGRY HEIDI WROTE: "John Lennon was a great man musically and otherwise" OH, REALLY? http://mikadosoc.ie/forum/archive.php/o_t__t_28718__john "In excerpts published in The Sunday Times from her new book, John, about her former husband, Cynthia Lennon claims that the departed ex-Beatle had a violent temper: "When I came out he was waiting with a dark look on his face. Before I could speak he raised his arm and hit me across the face, knocking my head into the pipes that ran down the wall behind me. "Without a word he walked away, leaving me dazed, shaky and with a sore head. I could put up with his outbursts, the jealousy and possessiveness but not violence. I knew I had to end our relationship. " Jim Goad, by contrast, never claimed to be for peace. He never posed as a "working-class hero" while banking millions daily. Therefore, dum-dum, he's a few notches above your slaughtered hero on ye olde truth and integrity scale. Subject: Jah Save My Toe Date: Oct 19 2005 08:24:15 AM Author: Bob Marley Hibbity Bibbity...Jah save my toe, mon...Jibbity Buhgibbity...hoodoo voodoo, we no like Babylon's evil doctors, mon, so I'm-a wave a spliff over my toe and let Jah Uprising heal me, mon. We will show dee world why we is dee chosen people, mon—get some chicken feathers and wave 'em over my toe, mon... Jah? Hello—JAH?!?! Oh, fuck, fuck FUCCCCKKKK! OK, I'm a CHRISTIAN! OPERATE ON ME! I WAS WRONG! AIN'T NO JAH! NO JAHHHH! Subject: Bob Marley, Racial Exorcist Date: Oct 19 2005 08:18:36 AM Author: Steel Toe Hey, stupid, Bob Marley WAS telling the white half of himself to go home when he told that blonde chick that Rasta was only for blacks—racial exorcism is a little-known fact about Rastafarianism. Just like wiggers do, you can actually expunge your whiteness by casting it into someone else's body and sending them back to Babylon. It also works with roosters and, I think, Barbie dolls. Subject: Give Fucking Peace A Fucking Chance Date: Oct 19 2005 04:38:58 AM Author: Heidi Cloughless Fucking shit. Eat some shit cos you guys are fucked. Fuckin' fuck. Eat a piece of dookie my boots stomp into your fucking face and stick a cock in your ass you fucking douche, because I didn't fantasize about people sticking cocks in their ass or eating shit, and you're a fucking douche for thinking it. Someone's gonna kill you for saying this shit, and you'd fucking deserve it. Eat shit off the cock you stick in your ass. I'm as fucking mentally stable as Yoko Ono, you fucking shit-licking cockfucks. Give peace a chance, or I'll be back with more murder fantasies. Subject: Bob Marley, the Half-White Racist Date: Oct 19 2005 03:02:20 AM Author: No Marley, No Cry http://www.rastafaritimes.com/rasnews/viewnews.cgi?newsid101 2536000,21111,.html " I remember being at 56 Hope Road one day when Bob, Skill Cole and Seeko were speaking angrily to a blonde American teenager, telling her to leave the premises and go back home to America. The girl said she had come to Jamaica and to Bob Marley because she wanted ‘to become a Rasta’. Bob and his associates were telling her in strong terms that it was not possible for her to become a Rasta – it was a ‘movement of Black people, FOR Black people." In that case, Bob should have told half of himself to go home. What was it you self-abnegating vanilla jackholes were saying about "all oppressed peepels in dee world, mon?" Fuck you. He was a racist. Subject: i fogot..... Date: Oct 19 2005 02:11:51 AM Author: Oh yea... It is a proven fact that all Jamaicans are homosexuals and that ol Bob liked puffing the peter as much as the spliff..what do you think was holding those dreads together?. apologies to suburban rasta boy down the thread. mon. Subject: nigga ima bus you up Date: Oct 19 2005 01:37:04 AM Author: lamark honky azz racist bich tryin to dis the great bob marley. and that indien that tried to het yall white peeps 2 stop littering. u alreedy stole there country now you gonna make a fun of them? bob marlet wood kill you white ass if he was here now. and my man is right dont call no jamacan a gfagit cuz the will shoot your ass. word. u r a racist who hates minortees and I think the backlash against this article was absofuckinlutely brilliant! Say what you want about Dr. goad he gets you whining cunts throawing Katrina sized tantrums every time. Sieg Heil and Shalom my ace boon coon. Subject: Heidi: dumb and angry...for PEACE! Date: Oct 18 2005 08:02:03 PM Author: Kenny H. She says: "Take that cock out of your mouth and shove it up your ass where it belongs." Then she says: "First of all, the piece I wrote said nothing about anal r@pe fantasies you douche," So if a hostile demand that someone gets a cock shoved up their ass and have shit stuffed in their mouth doesn't qualify as an anal-r*ape fantasy to you, what the fuck does? You're the type of irrational female that would be howling to the cops if someone said EXACTLY THE SAME THING TO YOU. Subject: Bright Supremacy Date: Oct 18 2005 05:28:30 PM Author: Kenny H. Jim Goad has always said he believes Asians and Jews are intellectually superior to whites, especially dumb whites pretending to be black who use terms such as "supremist" instead of the preferred "supremacist." So that makes it impossible for him to be classified as a white supremacist, no matter how hard you strain to stereotype him. His lifestyle, drug use, scorn for religion, iconoclasm, and use of naughty words all disqualify him from conservatism. So again, yab (the "negrodamus" fools no one when you keep rehashing old phrases and old arguments)—wrong...wrong...wrong. Goad is a different breed entirely, made evident by the fact that your "criticisms" of him amount to nothing more than tossing outmoded stereotypes at him that don't apply. Pointing to a cowboy hat and tight jeans to summarize his political beliefs—just as you earlier assumed a fondness for C&W music is inherently racist—is as ignorant as pointing to a black male's saggy jeans and concluding that he sells crack or believes that whites were created by an evil scientist named Yacub. Notice how the fool used to criticize Goad for being "rich," then when this is disproved, he resorts to criticizing him for working at a "low-paying" magazine. You have no argument, and the only constant is your outrage that Goad doesn't go away. Subject: Goad away! Date: Oct 18 2005 04:41:43 PM Author: Negrodamus Jim Goad is the official Redneck intellectual like Jeff Foxworthy is the official Redneck comedian. I peeped his website and dude is fond of cowboy hats, skin tight white tees and shit-kickin' boots. Yee-haw! Jim, you should apply to teach at the University of Calgary Poli-Sci department. Maybe you could end up advising the Conservative Party of Canada how to get away with white supremist policies that appeal to the common sense of Euroamerican peoples. You know you're brilliant, Jimmy. Leave off the low-paying magazine writing and jump into the fray. Subject: Really... Date: Oct 18 2005 04:08:25 PM Author: Cyru ...Tell me Roxy, do you have a life? You seem to spend a lot of time bashing peoples opinions over the net. Which probably had more thought put into them than when your parents spawned you. Why don't you and Goad hook up? You'd be the perfect shit spewing team. You could spend ages saying pointless BS to people who sure as hell don't give a damn. And what's with the bashing of people who are already dead? "Oh, now that these people I've had a random dislike for are cold in their graves, I can finally grow some balls and start insulting them! Whoopy!" Oh, and don't bother responding to this. I shant be reading it. Subject: steve caputi/roxy Date: Oct 18 2005 03:56:31 PM Author: Heidi Clough Okay, you guys are fucked. First of all, the piece I wrote said nothing about anal r@pe fantasies you douche, and secondly this comment area of the site is to post opinions about the article ( which I'm allowed to have ), not your opinions about peoples opinions. John Lennon was a great man musically and otherwise, sorry if I found it a little disgusting that Goad thought he (Lennon ) had any fault in his own death. You can both fuck off because I know from your comments that each of you are sucking his intellectually stimulating cock as I type this, and that in itself almost sickens me more than his ass-backwards article about shit he knows nothing about. Lastly I'm not a hypocrite for getting pissed off, just because I liked John Lennons' music which was about peace doesn't mean I have to be happy-go-lucky every fucking moment of my life. You guys can substitute Goad's name for your own and read my comment one more time. I hope you enjoyed this fuckers! Subject: Oh Jimmy Date: Oct 17 2005 07:52:43 PM Author: Faceless Coward Just like that annoying kid in middle school who just learned that he can argue down any figure of authority by directly contradicting their view-points, or gain attention by disagreeing with what everyone eles believes, ("Oh Really! Well I think America SHOULD be at war because the world has always survived on survival of the fittest!) Jim Goad is that meager light of immature intelligence with an inflated ego due to his upbringing around near non-intelligence. (I assume, since he is, sadly, more informed than most people.) Constantly breaking down and presenting only the negative or opposite of situations that are perceived to be positive or widely viewed one way, is using ignorance to fight ignorance which is ignorant. I do believe that he is not a racist. Just addicted to shocking people by attacking socially sacred issues with his sophomoric intellect. To be truthfull to Jim; when I was coming out of my typical ignorant mindframe I was the same as you. Eager for a shocked response from the status quo. But because Bob Marley refused to sever a toe infected with cancer doesn't make it good that he is dead. Save this rabid sensationalism for elementary school or political punditry. Subject: Helloween Date: Oct 16 2005 12:28:20 PM Author: Frau Metalstein Helloween is actually a "visionary" German metal band...quite funny really: http://www.helloween.com/ Subject: HELLOWEEN Date: Oct 16 2005 01:19:21 AM Author: Shirley Wilkes Booth Each time I have to hear "Do They Know It's Halloween?" again, I will EAT a candy bar intended for this season's trick-or-treaters. Don't think I won't do it, either. Ball's in your court, VICE. Subject: best issue ever Date: Oct 15 2005 04:27:46 PM Author: sam jim goads getting sassier and sassier Subject: fdsa Date: Oct 15 2005 10:58:31 AM Author: Roxy "It was a fight for all the poor, exploited and powerless." I really don't think "Slave Driver" and "400 Years" were written for ALL of the poor, exploited, and powerless...okay? Tell me they're not just a smidge anti-white. I could cite others... But while I'm at it, here are a few lyrics from "Stop That Train:" "All my good life I've been a lonely man, Teachin' my people who don't understand; And even though I tried my best, I still can't find no happiness. I mean, stop it: Stop that train: I'm leavin' - leavin', mm-hmm. Stop that train: I'm leavin' - I don't mind! Stop that train: I'm leavin'. And I said: It won't be too long whether I'm right or wrong; I said it won't be too long whether I'm right or wrong." Huh. Words from a real crusader right there. All art is open to interpretation but here's what I got: You people are stupid. I'm sick of trying to teach you because you can't learn. I'm gonna smoke another spliff and get the hell out of here. Subject: big ideas Date: Oct 15 2005 10:51:58 AM Author: Drop Dead Fred Do you really think most of these posts took more than two minutes a shot? I mean, look at some of these "thoughts..." Subject: YAB Date: Oct 15 2005 10:48:22 AM Author: Roxy If Caputi was the "gay police" you'd be serving a life term. You're a sad, sad little man. Why don't you get together with Heidi? You guys could spend days just considering where to shove cocks of all shapes and sizes...true romance. Subject: Heidi Clough Date: Oct 15 2005 10:40:45 AM Author: Roxy Wow. Heidi...time to up the meds a little. I can see you really took all of Lennon's music to heart, learned from it, and have become a better person for it...you fucking hypocrite. Subject: big ideas Date: Oct 15 2005 01:39:42 AM Author: why? I'm all for intelligent debate, but why would anyone consider the contents of VICE magazine fodder for intelligent debate? I read it because it's funny, and I know enough not to let what oher people think and say offend me too much. Seriously, could we sharpen our teeth on something a little more substantial than whether Bob Marley was a good musician or not, or a hero, or whatever it is that is being argued here? Or whether yab is a good arguer, and/or a liar? I'm posting, which makes me something of a hypocrite, but expending any more than an hour in one day commenting in the VICE forum seems like a waste of time. This is like D&D - a trifling and, in some cases, all-too-consuming activity. Does anyone really care what the readers of VICE forums think? Subject: steve... Date: Oct 14 2005 10:56:32 PM Author: yab ...stop being a fucking baby and stop taking shit SO seriously. what? are you the fucking gay police, now? wrrrrrrrrr....wrrrrrrr: "forced r4pe is bad, r4pe that is agreed upon is good!" - well thanks alot rabbi cockmongler! because we'd forget about all that is unholy and too gay for decency if you weren't sitting there with your tora with with pink bookmarker keeping tabs on what is "perverse". heidi said nothing about Goad being "inhuman", and I didn't read shit about any forced buggery. it must've been YET ANOTHER DEULSION MATERIALIZED FROM YOUR F4GGOT MIND Subject: gay-bashing logic Date: Oct 14 2005 10:08:23 PM Author: steve caputi hey, it's yab checking in to remind us how little any of this means to him! ... and that he doesn't spend a lot of time dreaming about anal penetration of the unwilling! so if the object of the scatological r*pe-murder fantasies is deemed inhuman, this means the fantasies magically aren't perverse? if you can label your "target" as a "sick" person, then pooping in their mouth suddenly doesn't become so "sick"? oh, ok! and STOP it with the mommy-r*pe fantasies! it's SO cutting and SO hurtful! Subject: in this case Date: Oct 14 2005 08:11:33 PM Author: yab in this case? considering the kind of sick graphic shit her target has written? no. seriously, calling people "sick" and whining about the crazy shit they say has no place in a discourse like this one. besides, a penis in the booty is natural. ask your mom ;) but not between the hours of 10pm and 2am because i'll be fucking her in the ass. Subject: heidi is obviously well-adjusted Date: Oct 14 2005 07:32:49 PM Author: steve caputi does it strike anyone else besides me as ironic that someone with scatological anal-r*pe murder fantasies feels qualified to talk about how "fucked in the head" someone else is? Subject: John Lennon Date: Oct 14 2005 05:46:21 PM Author: Heidi Clough You should read this, Jim Goad, because it concerns you: All John Lennon ever did wrong was infuriate a fucked up psycho. You could do that too, Jim. You should start wearing a bullet-proof helmet,Jim. But then your face would still be showing...Good. Because I want to take a shit in your mouth and pack it down tightly with my foot. You clearly missed the point of "Working Class Hero" entirely, but I won't even get into that.It would take too long to explain it to you. Take that cock out of your mouth and shove it up your ass where it belongs. The only reason that I still read articles written by Goad, is to remind myself how utterly fucked in the head some people can be.In closing I'd like to say you should've been a blow-job, you tampon gobbling son of a bitch. Subject: meh. Date: Oct 14 2005 04:27:36 AM Author: señor butthole fuck jack kerouac. i hate that guy. leary. fuck THAT guy. garcia? douchebag. but JFK's cranial obliteration is topped only by 9/11's slam dunk for public displays of moneyshot horror. so he was an asshole. so what. his head got blown off and it's cool to watch on repeat. oh and lennon. meh. marley. meh. and crying indian is harmless. he's nothing more than a mr. clean. beneath discussion. you know, like joan rivers or something. rogers? rogers has a creepy mistique. you've got nothing on rogers. all the others can fuck off because they're human beings not, legendary gods and that's proof enough of their inadequacy. Subject: shut the fuck up Date: Oct 14 2005 02:24:08 AM Author: a dude shut the fuck up. find something better to do with your time. eat my ass. Subject: dirty lenny Date: Oct 14 2005 01:34:33 AM Author: pinko Jim, the only one that bothered me was Lenny Bruce. Not because I'm offended but just because it rings really false. I don't know if he was a snitch and personally I don't give a shit. But he *was* funny -- have your heard the records? -- and he wasn't even close to the sanctimonious freedom-fighter you make him out to be. What you're talking about is the sappy version of Lenny Bruce you'd hear about in an article in Entertainment Weekly. The Bruce who "died for our sins" -- he would have hated all that. I feel kind of stupid criticizing an article like this for being inaccurate. But in order to be funny you do have to hit the target. Subject: fdsa Date: Oct 13 2005 09:54:30 AM Author: eh Marley didn't like the Jamaican establishment anyway. (This includes the black leaders) His remains are currently (unless this already happened) being taken to Africa under protest. Coincidentally enough Marley wasn't all that big of a deal in Jamaica until the events leading up to his death. And the same people protesting the move of his remains and calling him a hero are the same people that years ago hated him- Finally, Marley's agenda wasn't "Save Jamaica", you fucking waste of jizz. It was a fight for all the poor, exploited and powerless. All this coming from someone who doesn't even LIKE reagge OR Marley. Do your research, gaylord. Subject: Halloween Benefit Song Date: Oct 12 2005 11:54:39 PM Author: Sasha You could endorse racial lynchings and advocate forcible buggery of three-year-old orphans, and it wouldn't drive me away from your magazine as quickly as that FUCKING ANNOYING Halloween song. And do you REALLY have to put it on every page of back issues too? Subject: deaf bone Date: Oct 12 2005 10:50:09 PM Author: reason "The vast, vast majority of the posts on this page don't get it. You are reading Vice, the editors, etc. must laugh themselves silly about how seriously y'all debate this stuff." Who gives a fuck what they think? Subject: bill hicks Date: Oct 12 2005 03:43:00 PM Author: fan I like listening to Bill Hicks because he is (was) funny. I learn from other sources. Hate people for the right reasons. Subject: 99% Date: Oct 12 2005 03:12:05 PM Author: Deaf Bone on left side of head The vast, vast majority of the posts on this page don't get it. You are reading Vice, the editors, etc. must laugh themselves silly about how seriously y'all debate this stuff. p.s. Marley is an easy target. Look at Jamaica now -- he failed. The place is still a shithole. Subject: Peter on Sontag Date: Oct 12 2005 01:54:23 AM Author: Suzy Suntag “Interpretation is the revenge of the critic upon art” -- Susan Sontag I'm sure Sontag would apprecitate your astute criticism ["She's fucking smart"], as much as she appreciated all criticism of all forms of art, including Goad's. Perhaps Sontag enjoyed Goad's writing...we'll never know... Subject: Goad 'n' Sontag Date: Oct 12 2005 01:21:22 AM Author: Kenny H. Peter, you seem to equate intellectual prowess with aping the muddled pretense and obfuscatory prose of the French. I disagree with your apparent assertion that Goad "conflates" the ontological realm with the world of ideas. His writing, especially in its attacks on leftist critical theory, makes a clear distinction between the two. He merely thinks that people such as Sontag have it ass-backwards. They tend to mistake the Polaroid for what's being photographed to the point where they switch the two—leading to patently goofy assertions such as "no writing = no truth." Subject: Sontag Date: Oct 11 2005 11:42:00 PM Author: Peter Read Sontag's introduction to The Collected Works of Antonin Artaud. She's fucking smart. Goad is halfway smart and can write but his critique of Sontag is kind of limited by the fact that he is her intellectual inferior. Also, the unequivocal "Wrong." that he uses to counter her point on the arbitrariness of truth because of its reliance on language is not much of a counter. You're referring to material fact, right Jim? To wed the "truth" of nature to the "truth" of, say, your article on slavery is to conflate two ideas of truth. Is it true or not to state that you're an asshole? Is it true that I'm a sloppy thinker and you are a bastion of reason? Subject: Mr. Rogers Date: Oct 11 2005 07:17:43 PM Author: Daniel I'm writing to complement the entire staff of Vice Magazine with the exception of Jim Goad who should blow goats on exhibition as pennance for his comments about Mr. Rogers. Hey Jim -- sorry if starting the show with "A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood" was too corny for your taste. Maybe he should have opened with some song about imperialist oppression or existentialist demoralization or some real deep shit like that. Fred Rogers actually composed a whole catolog of good music for that show and got a great jazz trio for segway. Any musicians might want to check out some of his tunes at pbs.org. He also talked about real shit that some kids with corny parents might not get turned on to otherwise, and he wasn't a dancing idiot in a dinosaur costume. He was the most trustworthy person that ever got put on television. Fuck you. Warm regards, Daniel Loeb Philadelphia, Pa. Hey I know I'm posting a letter in the comments thing, but letters@viceland.com are returning my emails. Subject: Other dead zeroes Date: Oct 11 2005 01:56:40 PM Author: "K" Bill Hicks - I've heard several of his bits and routines,and there's nothing there.Just someone who believes he knows a whole lot of shit about the world and we don't.Nothing but insufferbale hipster assumptions/delusions. "Dr." Benjamin spock - The father of the baby boom (de)generation.One of the biggest reasons so many young people,since 1945,have turned out the shitty,unfocused,undisciplined,spoiled rotten,impossible way they have.And like many lefty icons,was a total two-faced bastard.His own children let it be known,not long after he finally croaked. Subject: Biggest Fags? Date: Oct 10 2005 08:05:42 PM Author: Jack Kerouac I'M THE BIGGEST FAG, AND IF YOU EVER QUESTION IT AGAIN, I'LL ROCK YOUR BELLS, BITCH! Subject: ken Date: Oct 10 2005 07:17:48 PM Author: what you people are the biggest fags bob marley fucking sucks stop arguing Subject: cont... Date: Oct 10 2005 04:02:33 PM Author: yab (...continued) the diffence is that founders of "vice" ARE and always were the establishment. scamming welfare checks is less of a noble and criminal act when you don't even need the money. for them to pretend that they're taking an anti-establishment stance is, to me, false. Q: "But Dude, it's a free magazine" And if all Vice remained was a free magazine, then you'd have a point. But they advertise big brand names, bring you pop bands courtesy of virgin records, bring you movies based on 80's tv shows. and even if it's a free magazine...it's still a free magazine falling out of the ass of the mainstream establishment. listen i'm not a hippy or any of this nonsense and i'm not saying i have all the answers. i'm just saying that for me, this is something to at least THINK about and i'm not paying the magazine any more attention. (outside of this discourse, obviously) -that's all. Subject: still. Date: Oct 10 2005 04:00:54 PM Author: yab i think it's pretty safe to say that he didn't feel any connection to white people or "white culture". just because his father (who abandoned him) was an "affluent pasty-white plantation overseer" doesn't mean that he personally partcipated in that lifestyle or culture growing up. AFTER he got rich? maybe. but so has just about every poor person that has become rich overnight. the statement that seems to be made here is that cos Marley was half-white- he considered himself white so he was a white guy his whole life, enjoying the benefits of being white and that he shouldn't be singing about poor africans. that's simply not the case. what is the case is that the vice 3 are rich kids with degrees who come from a dubious affluent cultural background. the point is that they pretend to be a part of a DIY punk sub-culture that they truly have no relation to. the biggest comparison is like, how those kids from A.R.E weapons dress down to look poor. they do it for the look, not because they are actually poor. this, for me, really isn't about race. white or black or chinese- marley still grew up during the post-independence era of Trenchtown- a violent kingston slum. the establishment looked down on the poor, inner-city youth, reggae music and Rastafarian culture that they embraced to articulate their plight. he grew up in a time where people who believed in "get up, stand up" were getting *locked* up. Subject: YAB strikes again Date: Oct 10 2005 03:01:39 PM Author: Jane Smith "if vice really gave a shit they would line these boomer's pocket at our expense." Dude, it's a free magazine. Subject: not ironic Date: Oct 10 2005 02:42:36 PM Author: sheila "Although Jim Goad is dead-on as usual, I find it ironic that he's dissing all these hippie icons in a magazine that, just last year, switched its mandate to concentrate solely on "neo-folk" and "weird America" bands that are basically a combination of the Grateful Dead and one of those scream therapy retreats for browbeaten, paunchy middle managers." I believe the thrust of Vice's theme this month is that the Gen-Xers are still cleaning up the messes of and paying for the mistakes of the Boomers. These articles are keeping step with Vice's mandate, as all of the issues discussed directly or indirectly have an effect on everyone, even the "neo-folk." I hate when people misuse the word "ironic." Really, it causes me physical pain. Is it me or is that also an earmark of the Gen-Xers? Subject: four li'l birdies... Date: Oct 10 2005 02:22:39 PM Author: steve caputi even if it was completely false, it's hard to get around the fact that bob marley was using (and being used by) the white power structure to sell his crush-the-white-power-structure philosophy. this is inherently duplicitous. it may have been for a "higher cause" in an ends-justifies-the-means sense, but there's some undeniable conflict-of-interest hijinks going on there. babylon made him a millionaire. these hijinks seem very similar to what you're alleging about the vice-goad dyad. whether or not what you're saying about them is true, i think it weakens your argument when you try to hold marley blame-free for the very things of which you denounce the white boys. you could, of course, spin around and say we're trying to hold the white boys blame-free for what we wish to tar-and-feather marley with. i'll think about it. Subject: tree li'l birdies... Date: Oct 10 2005 02:20:14 PM Author: steve caputi i don't know whether you take psych meds some days and go off them on others, yabbie-o, but i'll kick down some credit that your last few posts are free of the foamy fulminations to which we've grown accustomed. i can't speak for the author nor the publishers on their motivations. i will point out what to me seems to be an inherent contradiction in what you're saying. and as always, it goes back to marley. goad's article implies marley gained "mythic status" through his rasta-farting. someone else came on here with what appeared to be a quote (for which i couldn't find corroboration) that record execs focused on the selling of marley because he was whiter than the other wailers. don't know if that's remotely true, but let's say it is for the moment. if it is true, it's almost impossible that marley wasn't aware of it. and if he knew he was being sold because he wasn't as coal-black as his compadres...and then he went on to sing about goin' back to africa...this raises the matter of duplicity in marley for beyond what goad alleged in the article. Subject: and? Date: Oct 10 2005 02:20:28 PM Author: yab. just because your advertisers hated one article doesn't mean i'm 100% wrong about saying here. keep in mind that I never said that they didn't. as a matter of fact i'm sure they did and that in and of itself is the double edge sword of using the magazine. sure you get that drawback, but you're still marketing towards a large group of individuals that before- you didn't have access to. but whatever, right? semantics. by the way bobby...that person had a link for that and it connects to a marketing company's website. not 60 minutes. i think should simply look at the fact that right now baby boomers are running things, that includes many of the bigger brand names that advertise with this magazine. if vice really gave a shit they would line these boomer's pocket at our expense. but whatever right? Subject: ironic... Date: Oct 10 2005 12:23:10 PM Author: shintriad Although Jim Goad is dead-on as usual, I find it ironic that he's dissing all these hippie icons in a magazine that, just last year, switched its mandate to concentrate solely on "neo-folk" and "weird America" bands that are basically a combination of the Grateful Dead and one of those scream therapy retreats for browbeaten, paunchy middle managers. Subject: Nice try boomers Date: Oct 10 2005 09:41:53 AM Author: Bobby Lemieux "Subject: You again Date: Oct 07 2005 09:23:04 PM Author: Meme Just read about a psych study showing gen x and ys are obsessed with peer group conformity and excessively devoted to pleasing authority--in short, good little concentration camp guards." Speaking of liars, you did not read that Meme. You saw it on 60 Minutes. And what is 60 Minutes? Sunday School for boomers (only it's on at 7PM instead of 7AM). Boomers put together this hypothesis. They're contention is, if gen x and y (or "echo boomers" as these megalomaniacs like to call us) are not self centered then they must be robotic conformists. All that episode did was prove how myopic and self obsessed the boomers are. The worst piece of evidence was when they asked a bunch of old boomer CEOs what characterizes their new young employees. They all said, "They want instant satisfaction and have trouble picturing long term gains." Guess what boomers, that is the primary characteristic of ALL new/young employees since the beginning of time. It's indicative of ALL young people not just our generation. Subject: your theory Date: Oct 10 2005 09:00:18 AM Author: INsider there's only one problem with your theory: advertizers hated the slavery article. Advertizers do not like controversy. That's why, everytime vice has something like a blow job or a cock hanging out or a slavery article they lose thousands and thousands of dollars. Back to the drawing board Yab. Subject: finale Date: Oct 10 2005 07:08:07 AM Author: yab subversion is all well and good, but this isn't it. vice and it's founders were always apart of the mainstream. in order to subvert you have to be different from what you're subverting. the voice of the magazine now is likened to a politician or a marketing executive. everything that's being said isn't real- it's being said to get your attention. and with goad writing for this magazine? to me, it makes him a traitor to his own class, culture and his ideals. thus: not to be trusted either. summing up: you guys can continue to listen to this bullshit if you want...but i'm done with this thread and this magazine. Subject: finale Date: Oct 10 2005 07:02:02 AM Author: yab for example: back at the slavery article people used the article as an opportunity to voice their opinions about race. (me included) - it was bell curve vs guns, germs and steel. while everyone was in one place- ads flashing about- supporters of diamond's book failed to realize that diamond- and the arguement legitimizes a supposed competition of the races that is playing out. a competition that has divided the poor at the whim of the rich. that's why I personally questioned the motives of that article and this one. was this just another attempt to divide people in sensational vice fashion (attention = ads)? the founders of the magazine have very dubious, spoiled rich college kid backgrounds- ones that make you question if they really mean it when they use the magazine to say shit like: let's all stick to together against the man! let's root out those who sold out! celebrate those who didn't! ....but at the same time work with and accept money from governments and corporations that make bank off of your division. accepting Candian grants, manipulating a system intended to help minorities. 4million dollar profit margin and unpaid writers and cartoonists. Subject: finale Date: Oct 10 2005 06:58:46 AM Author: yab. it's clear to me that I've been wrong about alot of things concerning my commentary to article. fine, alright, I didn't pay attention to what I was saying and I really didn't pay much attention to what's being said. however, there's a huge difference between misinformation (or misintereptation of information)- ignorance and flat out lying. saying something because you assumed it was true and saying something even though you know it's not true are two different animals. most of my so-called "lies" fall into the former. with that said: that does not change my views (views which you refuse to address) of this article, vice inc, soon to be vice owned virtue adverstising, goad or the selling back of our own culture. when I say "we", I don't mean just any one race- I'm talking about all that this magazine is supposed to represent, the very reason that nike, levi, deisel, virgin records attach themselves to the vice brand: sub-culture. i understand the need to compartmentalize the magazine (and the culture itself) - but the bigger picture is that the magazine has turned into a mouthpiece for ideals (i really should say corporations) that even the trendiest post-colliegate hipsters vehementally and intrisically hates because the degree of integrity that comes from ^intelligently^ deciding not to be apart of the "mainstream". (cont) Subject: :) Date: Oct 09 2005 11:40:37 PM Author: John cos i die first so i take all credit. Subject: Don't Blame Me Date: Oct 09 2005 11:23:13 PM Author: John Lennon 'ey, mate, don't pin that one on me. Paul wrote that one. Wish I could pop off his new girlfriend's prosthetic leg and beat him with it. Subject: Let It Be Date: Oct 09 2005 10:46:34 PM Author: John Lennon When I find myself in times of trouble Mother mary comes to me Speaking words of wisdom, let it be. And in my hour of darkness She is standing right in front of me Speaking words of wisdom, let it be. Let it be, let it be. Whisper words of wisdom, let it be. And when the broken hearted people Living in the world agree, There will be an answer, let it be. For though they may be parted there is Still a chance that they will see There will be an answer, let it be. Let it be, let it be. yeah There will be an answer, let it be. And when the night is cloudy, There is still a light that shines on me, Shine on until tomorrow, let it be. I wake up to the sound of music Mother mary comes to me Speaking words of wisdom, let it be. Let it be, let it be. There will be an answer, let it be. Let it be, let it be, Whisper words of wisdom, let it be. Subject: Bob Marley Date: Oct 09 2005 10:13:48 PM Author: Suzy Yeah...I had no idea he was half-white. Subject: For the record Date: Oct 09 2005 06:20:03 PM Author: Joe J. I think Bob Marley's music sucks, too. And I never knew he was half-white. Subject: Controversy Date: Oct 09 2005 11:50:48 AM Author: Prince What continues to escape anyone who keeps shrieking things such as, "Why are you publishing this?" in the hopes that it will dissuade the magazine from assigning the writer further articles is the fact that editors and publishers tend to get firm, long erections whenever something they've published causes the amount of feedback—positive or negative—that articles such as this one engenders. In other words, if you continue to howl about VICE publishing Jim Goad, the ironic outcome will be that they'll continue to publish Jim Goad. Subject: Bob Marley Date: Oct 09 2005 11:36:27 AM Author: suzy The mere mention of Bob Marley causes my ass muscles to clench...followed by a tightening of the jaw...and then finally the desire to put my head through a wall just to stop the pain. I believe only those attending the Forrest Gump School of Philosophy could find inspiration in lyrics such as: "Don't worry 'bout a ting, every little ting gonna be alright..." These are the sort of vomit-inducing sentimentalities that cause me, a non-violent person, to want to buy a gun just to plant three bullets square in the breasts of the three little birdies perched on Bob's doorstep. I couldn't care less what race the guy is...I hate, nay, loathe his music...especially when played by white guys with dreadlocks. Subject: YAB must be VERY happy Date: Oct 09 2005 11:35:24 AM Author: bob marley No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities. Author: Christian Nevell Bovee 1820-1904, American Author, Lawyer Subject: YAB Date: Oct 09 2005 11:29:44 AM Author: read me People who cannot recognize a palpable absurdity are very much in the way of civilization. Author: Agnes Repplier 1858-1950, American Author, Social Critic Subject: YAB Date: Oct 09 2005 10:49:48 AM Author: read me Modern man must descend the spiral of his own absurdity to the lowest point; only then can he look beyond it. It is obviously impossible to get around it, jump over it, or simply avoid it. Author: Vaclav Havel 1936-, Czech Playwright, President Subject: wigga amnesia Date: Oct 09 2005 10:35:12 AM Author: steve caputi "The facts about Marley's surgery clearly state that he decided to have it in the end to shitty results. Hiding this fact and presenting it as if he said "no surgery" and then died is LYING." no, hiding the fact that you're talking about cancer surgery while a christian rather than toe amptutation while a rasta—which every word in the article is entirely devoted to toe amputation as a rasta, which is the ONLY THING THAT WOULD HAVE SAVED HIM—is the lie. also acting AGAIN as if you have knowledge the writer was "hiding a fact," is the OTHER lie. Subject: wigga amnesia Date: Oct 09 2005 10:30:06 AM Author: steve caputi HERE YOU SAID THIS: " Q: "Goad was on speed during his crime." No need to disprove it, since you didn't prove it." Don't need to. Wasn't a serious statement." THERE YOU SAID THIS: "100% factual shit- like that time he got all spacked out and beat his girlfriend" so when you claim something is "100 factual," we're to ascertain it's "not a serious statement"? Subject: wigga amnesia Date: Oct 09 2005 10:28:48 AM Author: steve caputi HERE YOU SAY THIS: I said he denied behing misogynist. Not violent, etc etc..so that = LIE. THERE YOU SAID THIS: The guy obviously has a history of violence, mental instability and misogynism...all the while Goad claims to not be any of those. moron boy, for your own sake, at least deny saying things that you didn't say on this very thread. Subject: keep on believing =) Date: Oct 09 2005 01:53:41 AM Author: so what? Q: "Proof is given YAB spends his entire life bitching with no evidence of doing anything to help anyone." WHAT PROOF? Where is your concrete evidence of this? Fact: You don't know what the fuck I do. Result? LIE Q: "Goad was on speed during his crime." No need to disprove it, since you didn't prove it." Don't need to. Wasn't a serious statement. This would be like me calling you liar for all those times you claimed I wanted to suck Goad's dick or whatever. This is a fucking circus. And you are a CLOWN. Q: "Numerous times, you accused him of hypocrisy and duplicity." No shit? So maybe that means the quote before was...maybe a lie? YES I THINK SO. Q: "misogynist" I said he denied behing misogynist. Not violent, etc etc..so that = LIE. Q: ""Marley was obviously not connected to the white power structure."" COMPLETE MISINTERPETATION. Nice word twisting tho. What I said was that he had no social or CULTURAL connection to the white power structure. Being a part of a record label doesn't count. IE = THAT DOESN'T MEAN BOB CONSIDERED HIMSELF WHITE AND CHOSE TO HIDE THAT FACT. To say otherwise would be a huge stretch of the imagination. Also: Using that as a direct quote = LIE. I can go on and on here. You rhetorical strategies is clear. You're a joke Subject: Rediculous! Date: Oct 09 2005 01:38:57 AM Author: so what? Again: "You see arguments as nothing more than rhetorical strategies." Case in point. Q: "You're white" No, I'm not. But to be sure: There's NO way you can prove that I am white- or that I "realized how stupid it was and tried to cover it up". Result: You're pulling it out of your ass and YOU'RE LYING. Q: "There’s no way YAB could know what Goad was or wasn’t aware of when he wrote this article, so to state this as fact is to lie" Sorta how there's no way you can truly be aware of my actual race, right? I found that information (about Bob's father), I suspect in the same way you found yours. Either both of you are blind, ignorant or LYYYYING. Take your pick. Q: "Proof is given that he was telling the absolute truth." Uh, no. The facts about Marley's surgery clearly state that he decided to have it in the end to shitty results. Hiding this fact and presenting it as if he said "no surgery" and then died is LYING. proof: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Marley#Collapse_and_treatme nt _cancer Q: "Lenny didn't start ratting until the government started harassing him for his act." Um, No. I never said that. By the way: Using this as a direct quote of mine when I said no such thing? = LIE Subject: Black People are DA BOMB! Date: Oct 09 2005 12:47:15 AM Author: so what? I think black people are really cool because they can reach higher than us and pick fruit right off of trees without a ladder! Their teeth can stay white without having to use Crest Dentu-Strips! They talk kinda funny, but I bring an interpreter with me wherever I go! Subject: Hey, Look Everybody! Date: Oct 09 2005 12:37:00 AM Author: Enzo Stuarti Hey, peeps! There are some black people over yonder, and they're really poor! They're stuck eatin' yams and sweet-potato pie and chitterlings, and they can't afford a toothpick between 'em. We should do something to help them! Let's take up a collection and buy them some new sneakers with the Dr. Scholl's "Gellin' Like a Felon" insoles. It'd be the intellectual thing to do. Subject: wont miss Date: Oct 08 2005 10:40:56 PM Author: cant miss Subject: break-time Date: Oct 08 2005 05:09:17 PM Author: no-name http://media.putfile.com/onkelz-tittenshow-01-la-ultima- 2004 Subject: Now What? Date: Oct 08 2005 08:01:17 PM Author: Kenny H. "And you have hinged your entire base of me being a "liar" on this." We based it on everything enumerated in the last four posts. "And then you blame me of Mccarthy-like tactics?" The McCarthyite tactics involve smearing someone with the word "racist" just as McCarthy smeared people with "communist." It involves lying, dodging, and character assassination in the absence of anything resembling a decent argument. "OOOKKKK." You like the way we write so much, you keep stealing it. Same goes for the "hinge the entire argument" phrase, which was initally used about you and your faux-black pain. Same goes for "transparent" and numerous other examples. "So I say to myself: Clearly I'm not dealing with a scholarly bunch," Quite a bold comment from someone whose argumentative skills have been trounced repeatedly. If we aren't scholarly, you're barely kindergarten. Subject: What Lies? numero quatro Date: Oct 08 2005 07:50:44 PM Author: Kenny H. Another: "I've said dozens of anti-white things, and this somehow doesn't disqualify me from decrying racism, so long as that racism is anti-black." Fallacy is evident to everyone except him. Half-a-lie: "If Goad's girlfriend was hitting him, he should have left." Proven hollow when he doesn't hold Goad's wife to the same standard. BIGGEST lie: "This doesn't matter to me." Easily disproven by the amount of time you spend here. When Feces McChubb comes on here with even ONE statement that is as easy to shoot down as all the cannon fodder you’ve given us and keeps whining about "taking a stand," we'll hold him to the same burden of proof that your statements and lies have established for yourself. And when you show that you hold yourself to anywhere near the standard you try to hold JG to, we'll cut you some slack. M‘Kay? Subject: What Lies? numero tres Date: Oct 08 2005 07:28:42 PM Author: Kenny H. Another: "Goad...supports the Man." Proof is given that Goad is a felon whose writing excoriates the government to the point where someone quoted it to shoot at the White House. Another: "Goad acted as if Lenny's snitching canceled out his free-speech fights." Proof is cited from the article that this is wrong. Another: "Goad acts like he knows what a real hero should be." Proof is given that Goad dislikes the very idea of heroes. Another: "Jim Goad acts like he's on some higher moral ground." Proof is given that Goad has always been honest about his moral failings. Another: "It's wrong to sit and bitch about things without offering positive change." Proof is given YAB spends his entire life bitching with no evidence of doing anything to help anyone. Another: "An obviously satirical passage about not being a member of a global conspiracy is proof of jg saying one thing and doing another." No refutation necessary. Another: "Anything bad said about Goad is 100% factual, anything bad said about these heroes is purely hypothetical." Proof is given that he's lying about Goad and proof is offered to support the factual basis of what's said in the article. Subject: What Lies? numero dos Date: Oct 08 2005 07:27:10 PM Author: Kenny H. Another: "His wife wasn't really lying when she made absolutely contradictory statements again and again." No refutation necessary. Another: "Goad was on speed during his crime." No need to disprove it, since you didn't prove it. Another: "I never accused Goad of saying one thing and doing another." Numerous times, you accused him of hypocrisy and duplicity. Another: "I don't want to refute facts." Disproven by all the facts listed here which you tried and failed to refute. Another: "There's no proof for this shit." Evidence is offered for every factoid that's challenged. Another: "Goad denies being violent, unstable, and misogynist." Proof is given that he's always written about being these things far before anyone else could accuse him. Another: "Marley was obviously not connected to the white power structure." Proof is given that Marley was a millionaire whose checks were written by the white record industry. Another: "Marley wasn't even that successful during his lifetime." Proof is given that he was. See the entry above. Subject: What Lies? numero uno Date: Oct 08 2005 07:26:30 PM Author: Kenny H. Since you asked... First lie: "I'm black." Second lie: "I realize it makes me look foolish to base my whole argument on knowing the pain of blackness and then admit I'm white, so, uh, I'm black again, OK?" Another: "Goad's a hypocrite." Disproven not only through no evidence, but severely undermined through dozens of examples of the accuser's duplicity. Another: "Lenny didn't start ratting until the government started harassing him for his act." Proof is given that he was ratting on dealers at least two years prior to government harassment. Another: "Goad's slavery article cited The Bell Curve." Proof was given that it didn't. Another: "Goad was r$ped and snitched on his wife." Ohhhhh-kayyyyy. Another: "Goad LIED about Marley's surgery." Proof is given that he was telling the absolute truth. Another: “Goad purposely hid facts about Marley’s dad.” There’s no way YAB could know what Goad was or wasn’t aware of when he wrote this article, so to state this as fact is to lie. Subject: Ohyeah. Date: Oct 08 2005 06:30:44 PM Author: so what? And steve, I guess it's ok that Feces McChubb over here doesn't use his real name? Of course it is. Ok, then buddy- just checkin' in. Anyway, Chubbs I can see you're trying really hard with the Bob Marley thing. Do you have any actual response to what I wrote- or is going to be more: "He's a liar! He's a liar! He's a wigger!" nonsense? Subject: what lies, though? Date: Oct 08 2005 06:29:41 PM Author: so what? Ex: You have no proof of me being white. None. The only reason you know I lied is because I told you, I did. I fully explained that what I did had a purpose and you're still crying about it because you feel decieved. And you have hinged your entire base of me being a "liar" on this. And then you blame me of Mccarthy-like tactics? OOOKKKK. So I say to myself: Clearly I'm not dealing with a scholarly bunch, I'm not in a situation where I'm required to "take a stand". You've tried, with out any proof, to paint a self-loathing, white, leftist, humanist liar. All of which are 100% untrue. And more importantly, completely beside the point of any argument however wrong, that I made. If I'm black or white, I'm still wrong to you, right? So why all the "fake-nigga" nonsense? What I mean is: Why should I give you name when you're obviously not the least bit interested in truth? You're not interested in my name or why I prefer not to use my name. You're interested in using the fact that I don't use one to your advantage. You see arguments as nothing more than rhetorical strategies. That was clear to me back at the Slavery article. And you're just now starting to question why you leave a name and why I don't? Hahaha...dense and slow. That's not good. Subject: Confucius Say, "YAB" Retarded Date: Oct 08 2005 06:03:44 PM Author: Feces McChubb "the white father and society that wouldn't accept his blackness " Ahh, now we're getting to the meat of the matter. This small wrinkled turd of a human identifies with Bob Marley because he knows the pain of when people won't accept your "blackness." At least in Marley's case, there was some blackness there to accept. UNREAL! When you need to lie this much to prove a point, all it proves is that you have no point. Subject: how so Date: Oct 08 2005 05:43:05 PM Author: so what? ah, but Marley did decide to have the operation, it was just too late. The idea is that Marley was stupid because he didn't try to save his own life. Well, turns out he did. he just didn't want people to know. and when you say that a guy's father is white, then proceed to lamblast the guy for not embracing that whiteness or even hiding it (which, there is NO PROOF that Bob tried to supress this information) you don't leave out: that his white middle aged father left his black teenage mother before he was even born. you don't leave out: the fact that this was jaimaica in the 1940's and that whites and blacks frowned upon mixed children and relationships or wait, maybe when you Jim Goad you do. and maybe when your so stuck on proving yourself right you ignore it. to make it seem like Bob had an attachment to his white father or an attachment to white culture and then to accuse him of hiding it is dishonest and misinformative. deal with it. Subject: Two Possibilities Date: Oct 08 2005 05:52:35 PM Author: Chucky Two possibilities here: (1) YAB/So What? actually believes himself. (2) He doesn't. If option (1) is correct, we have before us what is demonstrably the most delusional creature ever to squat and take a poop. If option (2) is correct, it probably IS Jim Goad or one of his cronies doing a smashing job of making Goad look better. Subject: queer Date: Oct 08 2005 05:46:04 PM Author: steve caputi "i find it queer that you request some form of truth out of me now when you've been obsessively preoccupied with the notion that i'm a habitual liar. " of course. no projection goin' on there, blanco. no proof of your lies. no one is able to scroll down and see them revealed time after time. your proven habitual lies become our "obsession," not your psychological flaw. it's just a "notion," not something that's there for all to see. no one requested truth out of you. it's obvious you're incapable of it. someone just pointed out ANOTHER contradiction...that you demand everyone "take a stand" while you're too ball-free to even stand behind your real name...like, say, jg does when he stamps his real name on everything he writes. that alone is more of a "stand" than anything you've done, ya soft puss. and, really...keep hammering away at the keyboard denying this matters to you. you're eminently believable about everything. Subject: Liar, Liar Date: Oct 08 2005 05:39:41 PM Author: Kenny H. "Not only did Goad LIE about Marley's surgery, he purposely left out the conditions under which Marley was born a mulatto- " You've searched so hard for lies without finding one that all you have left is to make up lies about lies? What weird sort of syndrome do you possess that impels you to lie even to the point of accusing someone else of lying in order to cover your lies? You have about fifty lies on record here, none of which you can erase. Where does Goad's article even mention cancer surgery? http://www.hotshotdigital.com/OldRock/BobMarley.html "The cancer that killed Bob Marley started in his right big toe. Doctors advised him to have the toe amputated, but he refused, saying "Rasta no abide amputation. I and I don't allow a mon ta be dismantled." The cancer proceeded to spread to the rest of his body and he was dead within four years." EXACTLY what Goad said. And when you mention someone's father is white, that's INCLUDING the conditions under which Mulatto Bob was born. Subject: you must really be some kind of fool Date: Oct 08 2005 05:12:09 PM Author: so what? what exactly would i be standing up for in this instance, hm? the right for people to like Lenny Bruce and Bob Marley? ha! Or how about the "right to not like goad"? ok buddy, that's just what I've been waiting for- finally! my moment to shine with internet commentary maybe if this discussion was something that I knew actually mattered, with people who've lined out their core beliefs, who I somewhat respect--i'd stand behind it, you know? really get into it! name and all. but all I know about you is your name, your agenda, and your willingness to see that agenda "win out" i find it queer that you request some form of truth out of me now when you've been obsessively preoccupied with the notion that i'm a habitual liar. listen: how about this? you just stick to your script and i'll stick to mine. this isn't a social gathering and you don't need to know my name, ok dumplin? Subject: break-time Date: Oct 08 2005 05:09:17 PM Author: no-name http://media.putfile.com/onkelz-tittenshow-01-la-ultima-2004 Subject: yeah yeah yeah Date: Oct 08 2005 04:50:44 PM Author: so what? if you're going the whole Bell-Curve influenced approach with this "can of worms" you can forget it. been there three years ago, been there 3 monthes ago, bought the newsletter, read the article, argued the point with people assuredly more versed in the subject than you. even so that's entirely beside the point. The whole bulk of the Bob Marley thing is horseshit. Not only did Goad LIE about Marley's surgery, he purposely left out the conditions under which Marley was born a mulatto- which no doubt had a direct impact on his upbringing, his beliefs and his views on race and whiteness. just because a bunch of kids that don't even listen to him didn't know he was half/half doesn't really mean much when it was obvious to the white father and society that wouldn't accept his blackness and the black jamiacans that certainly didn't accept his whiteness. if you could still argue that somehow he was decieving people- I'd like to hear it. because OBVIOUSLY the particularities of his race weren't that important if we're talking about it DECADES after his MILLION DOLLAR success and death. Subject: Scorched by His Own Words Again Date: Oct 08 2005 04:44:56 PM Author: Kenny H. "i'm not even using my real name. " So the person who keeps yabberin' about "standing for something" can't even stand behind his real name? Subject: Can of Worms Date: Oct 08 2005 04:35:39 PM Author: Kenny H. "is it still hard to understand that's still the case today? that world wide...people with white skin are better off than those with dark skin?" I don't know a person on earth who doesn't understand that. But you're opening an oil-barrel-sized can o' worms if you want to discuss the reasons for why that might be. Subject: still Date: Oct 08 2005 04:00:39 PM Author: so what? how does Bob Marley doing business with whites, in an industry still run by mostly whites...mean that he was connected and therefore neglecting his "white heritage"? did you glare over the part where i said that at the time africans were the most powerless when it came to race and class? is it still hard to understand that's still the case today? that world wide...people with white skin are better off than those with dark skin? know what? doesn't even matter. no matter how you slice it, bob marley was half-white genetically- not socially. not culturally. where (obviously) it counts. this was in between the 40's and 60's. you have to completely stupid it make a big stink about him not acknowledging his whiteness or giving a remote fuck about eurpoean whites. and steve, no I don't disagree with that. but when it's either that or jail? the reaction varies from man to man. not everyone has to follow the "code of the streets" or whatever. kinda reminds of something Goad said about how people don't like criminals because they do what they are too afriad to do. I think the same cuts for criminals and people who don't believe in that honor among theieves bullshit. Subject: whatever. Date: Oct 08 2005 03:31:10 PM Author: so what? honestly, steve... to me this is just another disscussion. any "attacks" or assumptions I may have made about people's characters were purely impulsive and defensive (except Goad). i have not and will not spend any time making useless assumptions about your personality or conjectures about your psychology. if i cared deeply and this was face-to-face...maybe I would. but it's just the internet- and i'm not even using my real name. "believe what you want" pretty much sums it up. you don't think i'm black? believe what you want. think i'm a leftist? believe what you want. this i'm a humanist? believe what you want. think i care deeply or i've got some goofy agenda to stop goad at all cost? believe what you want. really, let's be honest. it's what you're best at and i'm definately not going to put in effort to make you believe otherwise. Subject: Can We Have Some Difficult Questions? Date: Oct 08 2005 03:48:05 PM Author: Kenny H. "obiously he was not connected to "overseers" because one would think he would've cared a great deal more about his career." Obviously. And I'm positive he never dealt with white record execs or white bankers or white lawyers or white accountants. Oh, wait: http://www.bobmarleymagazine.com/articles/blunt.htm A pro-Bob magazine says Bob was a millionaire in his lifetime. Subject: no honor among snitches Date: Oct 08 2005 03:34:27 PM Author: steve caputi "it's wrong and against all that one considers "intelligent" to snitch when you run the risk of going to jail, or to simply have a belief or code of conduct?" to me, it's incredibly wrong to send someone else into a cage for behavior which you indulge in. to snitch on a dealer while the needle's still sticking out of your arm is a repellent act. do you disagree about that? it may be savvy in a darwinian survivalist sense, but isn't that the realm of fascists rather than anti-racist leftoid sympathizers? Subject: saving face Date: Oct 08 2005 03:31:01 PM Author: steve caputi " who are you, or jim goad, or anyone...to question what someone else believes? what right do you have to judge him?" just about the same right you continue to yell "dibs" on every time you come on here serving up another half-baked casserole and offering biblical judgments about the writer's beliefs and character. bob marley toured the world. bob marley sold lots of records in his lifetime. acting as if he wasn't a full-blown rock star during his lifetime is yet another example of you making up shit in order to save face. Subject: bob marley Date: Oct 08 2005 03:13:24 PM Author: so what? again, for you death is something "stupid"- to be afraid of and avoided. but some people really don't see it that way: this usually goes hand in hand with some relegious belief. who are you, or jim goad, or anyone...to question what someone else believes? what right do you have to judge him? so let me get this straight. it's wrong and against all that one considers "intelligent" to snitch when you run the risk of going to jail, or to simply have a belief or code of conduct? tell me more about this fantasy world you live in? are there elves and trolls? is it true what they say about one not dancing their way into mordor? as for the rest... bob didn't get really famous until after his death and he was hospitalized around the peak of his career. obviously he was not connected to "overseers" because one would think he would've cared a great deal more about his career. he didn't care about that success. he had the one thing many of these "heroes" didn't have: conviction bob didn't grow up a recording star. he wasn't one when he was 6, he wasn't one when he was 10. growing up, he was never connected to them and obviously the man never sold out. so how was he connected to high society whites again? Subject: please learn to read Date: Oct 08 2005 03:20:35 PM Author: steve caputi "finally, i find it funny that you bring up the stupidity of hero worship after spending so much time with your nostrils buried in goad's pubes...saying that these people aren't heroes for snitching or not being proud of a white heritage that never acknowledged him in the first place. " i mentioned that contradiction a few posts ago. if you weren't so busy expending tremendous effort while acting as if you don't care about any of this, perhaps you would have read that post before replying. we obviously disagree about matters of humor. but i've never acted as if none of this doesn't mean anything to me like you continue to act. it obviously means something deep to you, or you wouldn't peck out seven billion characters trying to win an argument. the fact that you never acknowledge when you make up shit, coupled with the fact that you never acknowledge when a point of yours has been shot down, tripled by the fact that you invariably toss up your hands and say you don't care, is a fucking hoot to me. your continued anti-racist stance shows that you consider yourself a humanist. but in practice, you've proven to be a bitter, lying, insulting, immature person. you might want to address these things before you try and change the world. Subject: lenny bruce Date: Oct 08 2005 03:10:49 PM Author: so what? looks that way, but isn't. clearly, his "thanks lenny now we can say fuck in certain special instances" was quite flippant. "fuck the government" is a HUUUGGGEEE over simplification of lenny's fight. he wasn't for anarchy, or the destruction of the government. he was a BETTER government and those are (once again) different matters altogether. yes, there is something wrong with hero worship. but that's not what this article even REMOTELY addresses. this article spends most of it's time setting up these "heroes" - again a completely subjective opinion - to be hypocrites. the point is driven that heroes of the boomer generation were hypocrites, child molsters and back stabbers. finally, i find it funny that you bring up the stupidity of hero worship after spending so much time with your nostrils buried in goad's pubes...saying that these people aren't heroes for snitching or not being proud of a white heritage that never acknowledged him in the first place. besides: if someone did consider this group to be "heroes", that won't change because of what was written about them here. and I realize that the cool thing is supposed to be all hip and not idolize anyone- but hero worship is a part of human nature. maybe one day, when unicorns walk the earth everyone will be as heroic as the next person and it won't be such a rare thing for someone to stand for something. until then we got vice! Subject: yr point? Date: Oct 08 2005 03:00:42 PM Author: steve caputi " i'm sure there are country western singers out there that are against life saving stem cell research that could very well save them from cancer in the future, too. " and they'd be just as idiotic as bob marley. Subject: here's what Date: Oct 08 2005 02:53:25 PM Author: steve caputi the funniest thing about yab's new handle is that it continues his long tradition of play-acting regarding his indifference about jg's supposed irrelevance. he screeches and screams and argues and loses with the ferocity of an evangelical preacher who thinks that if he doesn't slay satan, then the devil will sprout in countless new souls. he's obviously, patently, pathetically, transparently upset about the idea of jg as a skillful propagandist. Subject: durp! Date: Oct 08 2005 02:50:09 PM Author: steve caputi "so like a castle of cards the arugement against marley goes down with one breath. " wrong yet again...what is it now, like 1000 of your statements that have been successfully shot down? ..."jah no allow mon to be dismantled" ... whoops! ok, i'm a christian, operate on me now, mon! what do you MEAN it's too late?" still means his belief in jah killed him. duh! Subject: bob mulatto Date: Oct 08 2005 02:46:56 PM Author: steve caputi "it was obvious that he was a mulatto and this is STILL to this day VERY common knowledge." first off, just cop to being "yab" again, all right? the whole "everyone knows these facts already" song-and-dance gives you away. so we're to ignore all the people on here who were surprised to find out marley was half-white? before reading this article, i had no idea he was white. do you think we all actually knew this already? do you think everyone lies when it's convenient like you do? and someone already pointed out, when he's a rich recording star, he has much more "social connection to" plantation overseers than kingston ghetto rats. Subject: bob marley (cont) Date: Oct 08 2005 02:40:19 PM Author: so what? is it so beyond your grasp of understanding to believe that he actually may have been ASHAMED of what he saw from whites of that time, maybe even of who he was? and yeah, Rastafarianism is pretty fucking stupid. but i'm sure there are country western singers out there that are against life saving stem cell research that could very well save them from cancer in the future, too. finally, Bob marley DID IN FACT have the surgery to rid himself of the cancer cells (look it up!), but it was too little, too late and something that he kept from the public. so like a castle of cards the arugement against marley goes down with one breath. Subject: j-i-z-z-m-o-p-p, jizzmop! Date: Oct 08 2005 02:36:53 PM Author: steve caputi "still how does the snitching and his womanizing change lenny bruce from being an important figure in (this ongoing) freedom of speech movement?" jizzmopp, can you tell me where the author says lenny bruce's duplicity blanks out his free-speech trials? looks like he gives lenny credit for opening the gates for dirty words, no? in 95, goad went through an obscenity trial himself over answer me! does all the woman-beating you keep mentioning somehow magically cancel that out? Subject: bob marley Date: Oct 08 2005 02:11:48 PM Author: so what? bob marley's father Norval never got to know his son because the white upper classes distain for mixed children/mixed relationships in general. this was in the 1940's and 50's BEFORE anything like a civil right movement began in America. this was jamaica!!! young marley was rejected and ridiculed by BOTH blacks AND whites for his mixed heritage. put it into perspective: Norval met his marley's mother when she was a TEENAGER. they were supposed to get married but a week before this was to take place he complained of a "hernia", changed jobs and moved to kingston. now keep in mind this was his *white* father. why didn't bob own up to his "whiteness"? BECAUSE BOB MARLEY WASN'T WHITE. to say that bob marley came from a "white" or "european" society and culture and that he somehow "hid" this is idiotic. it was obvious that he was a mulatto and this is STILL to this day VERY common knowledge. tell me how's he supposed to sing for people he has no social or cultural connection to? in this circumstance is it that hard to believe that he disliked his father and disliked the ways of a WHITE, UPPERCLASS, PLANTATION OVERSEERS? bob marley sang for people who at the time were TRULY powerless because of race and class. guess what? at the time this meant singing a whole lot about africans and europe? eeeehhh...not so much. Subject: heroes? Date: Oct 08 2005 02:33:06 PM Author: steve caputi "finally, by trying to dismantle what one would see as a "hero", one implies that he or she knows what a real hero is." wrong again. you place a dog leash on your neck and lead yourself to all sorts of dopey conclusions. did you ever think it implies that there might be something wrong with hero worship itself? i plead guilty to treating goad like a hero, but all of his words and every comment he's ever made on the subject reveal someone who thinks hero-worship is an adolescent phase which most people unfortunately never grow past. it was pointed out earlier here that goad is most venomous toward people like me, because i can't seem to find my own gig in life. Subject: higher ground? Date: Oct 08 2005 02:32:07 PM Author: steve caputi so jim goad, who has written freely about his hatred and his violence and his misogyny and his drug use and the whole kit 'n' caboodle, has somehow adopted a "higher ground" than some pretends-to-be-black, obviously unhappy homophobe who constantly teeters on a tiny soapbox thinking that caterwauling about racism and "corporate america' takes guts these days? you keep pretending jg and vice act sanctimonious, but as with everything, you flush yourself down the toilet when asked to support it with one paramecium of proof for such a statement. the one who continually comes off self-righteously shrill and convinced of their moral superiority about risk-free moral stances such as anti-racism is you, diaper-boy. sending people to jail for selling you drugs that you continue to use shows severe "duplicity" in lenny bruce, yet you strain against the laws of physics to deny it. cooperating with the government while turning your entire act into "fuck the government" shows the same duplicity. it's the same government that makes the drug laws and the obscenity laws, albert einstein. the government doesn't give a fuck that you pick and choose which laws are moral and which aren't...they'll bust your ass on all their laws. Subject: ... Date: Oct 08 2005 02:11:00 PM Author: so what? the point you're missing is that lenny bruce never put himself on some supposed moral high ground. whether or not lenny bruce was funny is a completely subjective opinion. not a fact. secondly, the "not a comedian" quote- is a famous quote that comes later in his career. those quotes you've pasted clearly paint a picture of a man who had a different understanding of comedy. "tonight" doesn't change the fact that he never saw himself as a "jokey" comedian but more of a social commentator. third, fighting the government for your free speech and snitching on a couple of drug dealers (some of which turned informers themselves) are two entirely different things, no? narcotics are illegal and should be. saying "fuck" in front of a paying crowd shouldn't. it's not like lenny was out there saying: "drug dealers are good people, never snitch on your local fuckbag scum!" nice try mixing the two issue tho. finally, by trying to dismantle what one would see as a "hero", one implies that he or she knows what a real hero is- therefore speaking from a moral high ground. how are you gonna get mad at one guy doing that, when you're implicitly doing the same fucking thing? still how does the snitching and his womanizing change lenny bruce from being an important figure in (this ongoing) freedom of speech movement? did all that stuff magically not happen? Subject: BLOODBATH Date: Oct 08 2005 01:33:53 PM Author: HOTSHOT No shit. I probably agree with vice less than half the time, but like big daddy kane said, this is like watching a pit bull against a chihuahua. the critics make the writter look better than even his supporters do. Subject: Front-Row Seats for a Bloodbath Date: Oct 08 2005 01:20:15 PM Author: Chucky Watching the Goad Klan annihilate the critics again and again is so much fun! This must have been what it felt like to be at the Coliseum in Rome watching lions eat Christians. Each time the fools stumble back into the pit all punch-drunk, they meekly mutter, "give it up" before getting their heads chewed off! Subject: Lenny Wasn't Funny, But This Guy Is Date: Oct 08 2005 12:56:09 PM Author: Kenny H. It's funny / no, it's hilarious / .to watch the lengths you bitter losers will go to excuse everyone's behavior except Jim Goad's. QUOTE: "Look, if you've got the FBI and whomever the fuck else breathing down your neck, arresting you for indecency only to charge you with everything from drug dealing to possession- you'd do what you have to do to survive." Really nice argument there. Too bad Lenny Bruce was already in the habit of snitching on drug dealers a full two years before the government started messing with him for obscenity. Subject: Lenny Snitched Long Before Dying Date: Oct 08 2005 12:32:50 PM Author: Kenny H. Seven years before his death: http://www.freenetpages.co.uk/hp/lennybruce/chronology.h tm 8.59 HOLLYWOOD, CRESCENDO (busted for drugs. snitches on dealers in exchange for release) Subject: of course it's yab again Date: Oct 08 2005 12:16:13 PM Author: steve caputi who else on earth but our retarded little homophobic whipping boy would make a statement so ear-splittingly stupid as the one where he says this is all designed to "sell more" copies of a FREE MAGAZINE? who else would continue to cry, "waa, this isn't your culture, it's OUR culture and i'm just the sort of friendless, nonsensical poo-flinging self-hating white boy to lead our culture toward a new dawn?" who else, when sense and logic fails him, will just label his opponents racists and future klan members, hoping no one has sufficient cognitive skills to see past his pre-pube mccarthyite smear tactics? Subject: Bob Marley—Half a YAB Date: Oct 08 2005 11:46:35 AM Author: Kenny H. "your biggest argument against Marley is that "he wasn't black." The article seems clear on the fact that the biggest thing against Marley, other than being killed at the hands of his moronic religious beliefs, was that he never seemed too keen on letting us know he was half-white. Singing about Africa [and never Europe] and oppressive Babylon [when your father was a rich plantation overseer] is evidence of downplaying some rather important details about yourself. Bob Marley was the "half-YAB" ... he made a point of ignoring half of his whiteness and hoping nobody would notice. It's screamingly obvious that if Jim Goad wrote books about repatriating himself to Europe, and it turned out he was half-black, you hypocritical wiggas would be all over that shit. Subject: Being a Hypocrite Ain't Hypocritical Date: Oct 08 2005 11:27:15 AM Author: Kenny H. QUOTE: "So Lenny was a snitch. So what? How does that make him a hypocrite" Seeing as 99% of Lenny Bruce's act toward the end was devoted toward reading court transcripts of how the evil [fuck the] government was persecuting him, it makes him about as hypocritical as it gets, shipnit. This guy is very much like YAB in the fact that he'll ask questions which scream to the heavens in their own idiocy. "Duh, so he said 'fuck the government' and then ran to the government to snitch on drug dealers'—how is that hypocritical?" This guy is also very similar to YAB in his "OK, well, I guess you're right about the facts, but, uh, what have you done that's positive?" Since neither VICE nor Goad have ever postured themselves as society's saviors, while both YAB and this "so what?" guy act as if doing pro-social acts is the ultimate measure of a person's worth, it'd be much more appropriate to turn the question around on them: "What the fuck have you done besides bitch about Jim Goad and VICE?" Subject: Jim Goad—Mouthpiece of the Man? Date: Oct 08 2005 11:05:12 AM Author: Kenny H. I suspect this "so what?" character is YAB resurfacing and trying to make a point again. Early on in the slavery thread, when he was talking about "his people" only being free for 50 years or whatever, YAB made a very, very similar statement which looked fondly toward a totally race-mixed future where white guys don't have to pretend they're black anymore. He also said very similar things about VICE and JG being corporate/government shills. Either way, here comes another duck in the shooting gallery. If Jim Goad is acting on behalf of the government, he's doing a great job of hiding it, what with all the prison time and that guy who shot at the ***White House*** in 1994 and quoted Goad's writing as inspiration in a suicide note he left in his van. We should probably overlook the entire eighth chapter of "The Redneck Manifesto" where he goes into detail about the corrupt activities of the Federal Reserve, which is the true source of all government power, and how the government likes to throw up smokescreens such as 'racism' to keep the attention of fools such as you deflected from the fact that the government robs both blacks and whites blind. Subject: Lenny Bruce—Comedian? Date: Oct 08 2005 10:53:23 AM Author: Kenny H. QUOTE: That's fine because one of his famous quotes were: "I'm not a comedian, I'm Lenny Bruce" Nice way to take a quote way out of context. The full quote: "Sorry If I'm not funny TONIGHT folks, but I'm not a comedian... I'm Lenny Bruce." And where was this quote uttered? When he was out "hustling?" No, in front of an audience during his STAND-UP COMEDY ACT. For someone who didn't claim to be a comedian, he sure philosophized about the role of a comedian a lot: "The role of a comedian is to make the audience laugh, at a minimum of once every fifteen seconds." —Lenny Bruce "Today's comedian has a cross to bear that he built himself. A comedian of the older generation did an "act" and he told the audience, "This is my act." Today's comic is not doing an act. The audience assumes he's telling the truth. What is truth today may be a damn lie next week. " —Lenny Bruce "All my humor is based upon destruction and despair." —Lenny Bruce If he didn't think he was funny, what was this "my humor" thing? Why did he keep talking about what a comedian's role was? Hits on google for the exact phrase "comedian lenny bruce" totaled 20,100. Subject: and bob marley Date: Oct 08 2005 08:29:39 AM Author: so what? http://www.onpoint-marketing.com/generation-y.htm and what kind of non-racist magazine and writer even gives a remote fuck if Bob Marley was a mulatto? there is something way fucked up and more telling about american race issues when your biggest argument against Marley is that "he wasn't black." - guess what, future clan members? IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER. notice that the only people who complain about this are not only NOT fans of Marley, but white, and in this case: with views that are close to all out white superemacy based on fear and self-perpetuated sterotypes. give it up guys: in 200 hurdred years the majority of americans AND canadians will be mixed just like bob- and there ain't nothing you can do about that shit. Subject: ... Date: Oct 08 2005 08:22:49 AM Author: so what? Maybe he wasn't "hero" enough? Who ARE your heroes then? Because all he we hear is bitching. You say that he wasn't funny? That's fine because one of his famous quotes were: "I'm not a comedian, I'm Lenny Bruce" Look, if you've got the FBI and whomever the fuck else breathing down your neck, arresting you for indecency only to charge you with everything from drug dealing to possession- you'd do what you have to do to survive. Prove that you'd do any different, you fucking sell outs. Lenny NEVER put himself on the same higher plane that Vice and Goad continously do. He called himself a "hustler". To have him in here as some sort "disgrace" is sheer sensationalism bullshit designed to sell more "zines". You fucking suck Vice, and we're tired of you making scratch on our culture. Eventually everyone that's worth a damn is going to wake up and by then one would hope that you've horded enough sub-par indie-pop acts to stay afloat. Subject: Vice is the new "mouthpiece of the man" Date: Oct 08 2005 08:21:24 AM Author: so what? in that particular case you're refering to (The snitching before his death) is a flat out lie. The real rat was close "friend" high level federal informant Chic Eder. Chic was close to Lenny in jail for supposedly bombing a Bank of America. Part of his cover, you see. So Lenny was a snitch. So what? How does that make him a hypocrite? How does that make him a bad person? Does that magically undo all of petty injustices that were done to him and free speech in the name of decency and J. Edgar Hoover's administration? So that means he didn't stand up for his right of free speech? How was that "take away your right to say fuck..." statement "Self serving" exactly? The government came down on his ass harder because of that. And... "We're now only allowed to say fuck in special..." - what the fuck is that about? How does that have anything to do with Lenny? What? He didn't put his ass on line enough for you? Ok What have you done, Goad? What has VICE done? (cont) Subject: Do...They...Know...It's...An-noy-ing? Date: Oct 07 2005 11:26:13 PM Author: Pete Camiel Candy corn for Biafran children? Marshmallow peeps for starving Cambodian babies? Chocolate bunnies for kindergarteners in Appalachia? Subject: Tease! Date: Oct 07 2005 11:14:19 PM Author: Spanky Plankton "Just read about a psych study showing gen x and ys are obsessed with peer group conformity and excessively devoted to pleasing authority" Sounds interesting. Why not post a link? Subject: Gen X Date: Oct 07 2005 09:50:10 PM Author: Lala http://www.onpoint-marketing.com/generation-x.htm Huh. Subject: You again Date: Oct 07 2005 09:23:04 PM Author: Meme Just read about a psych study showing gen x and ys are obsessed with peer group conformity and excessively devoted to pleasing authority--in short, good little concentration camp guards. And most of these posts seem to bear this out. Not that you're to blame--your dumbed down schools (is it true they've renormed the SAT AGAIN??!!??--I mean WTF? Do you get a 2400 now if you can just spell your own name??!?)have crippled your minds. Seriously--you're all just totally fucked. Subject: you Date: Oct 07 2005 09:17:36 PM Author: meme You did it to yourselves: when Institution Man came to you and said, "Hey dude, we're gonna charge you a bazillion dollars for a substandard college degree. You ok with that?" You didn't say "FUCK NO!" and take over the Admin Building. YOU said "Sure, sir! Whatever you say, sir! Cuz like I really need a job!" And when Corpo Man said, "Hey dude! Come work 80 hour weeks for minimum wage" You said, "Thank you sir! I'm a Team Player sir! Please fuck me up the ass again, sir!" You're situation is your own fault because you are conforming, cowardly, fearful, authority worshipping pussies! Subject: Hi, everybody Date: Oct 07 2005 08:50:08 PM Author: Bob Marley :-D Subject: Gay-Bashing Date: Oct 07 2005 08:06:13 PM Author: Jack Kerouac What else are you supposed to do when some dude refuses to blow you? Subject: Know Where I Can Cop Some Microdots? Date: Oct 07 2005 08:04:51 PM Author: Timothy Leary Yeah, I ratted on Lenny, but if you DID YOUR RESEARCH, you would see that it was in a way that was designed to keep him out of hell. Subject: In Hell With Leary Date: Oct 07 2005 08:03:48 PM Author: Lenny Bruce We ratted on each other, and this is what happens...OY! I'm a schmuck! Subject: My Gray-Haired Jewish Pussy Date: Oct 07 2005 08:01:26 PM Author: Susan Sontag So I'm up in heaven getting eaten out by Tupac, and he keeps getting grey hairs stuck in his teeth and yelling at me. "BITCH! I TOLE you to shave that thing"! he'll say, but I'm trying to make a statement against patriarchy by keeping it natural. Subject: Technically, I Wasn't Jaywalking Date: Oct 07 2005 07:59:48 PM Author: Jerry Rubin The light was green, and the WALK sign started flashing right after I stepped off the curb. I still got creamed, but I wasn't jaywalking. Just wanted to clear that up. Subject: Haven't Made a Record in a While Date: Oct 07 2005 07:59:38 PM Author: John Lennon Hey, mate, is there any way I can get in on this "Do They Know It's Halloween" project? Subject: Hey, At Least I Fucked Marilyn Date: Oct 07 2005 07:56:24 PM Author: JFK Jim Goad looks like Lee Harvey Oswald. Subject: This is Some GOOD Acid Date: Oct 07 2005 07:53:59 PM Author: Jerry Garcia I look exactly the same upside-down as I do right-side-up! Subject: I Forgot Date: Oct 07 2005 07:46:53 PM Author: Mario Savio Remind me who I am again? Subject: This Fucking Blows Date: Oct 07 2005 07:39:48 PM Author: Mister Rogers So I get to heaven, and there isn't ONE FUCKING KID around here. What's up with THAT?!? Subject: Vice Restructuring Date: Oct 07 2005 07:26:28 PM Author: cursorx Dear Vice, Fire everyone, I mean everyone including that "hipublican" <HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA> mick McInnes, hire Jim Goad to write your mag. You'll no longer need to feel guilty about making ten mil in the shadow of Answer Me! Subject: Italian Chicks Date: Oct 07 2005 07:35:15 PM Author: Iron Eyes Cody The reason I pretended I was an Injun is because Italian chicks have hair on their boobs. Seriously—thick blankets of monkey fur. Subject: Jah No Exist Date: Oct 07 2005 04:15:22 PM Author: Bob Marley I really wish I'd let them operate on my toe, mon. Subject: :-D Date: Oct 07 2005 04:08:12 PM Author: bob marley . Subject: more than a couple Date: Oct 07 2005 02:49:44 PM Author: steve caputi i started counting the goad posts on the second page of that slavery thread. i stopped after 100, and i wasn't even halfway down the page. Subject: My Dad's my Hero Date: Oct 07 2005 02:35:44 PM Author: Nemo I couldn't give a fuck less about anybody else especially these liberal art school 'favorites'. Guy put food on the table, taught me to fight,work, and stand up for what I believe. Subject: :-D Date: Oct 07 2005 02:42:16 PM Author: - bob marley, i love you. Subject: i'm blushing Date: Oct 07 2005 02:36:52 PM Author: steve caputi as a fan of the man's mastery of the language, i'm flattered to the point of uncontrollable hiccups and eyelash-fluttering that you'd think i'm jg. i've followed his website closely enough that i've seen the pictures of his "white whale" that he posted there, and i thought it'd be funny to taunt homophobically-panicking 'y.a.b.' with it. goad made tons of posts over on the slavery thread. they aren't on the first page that comes up with the article...you have to click "see more comments", and there are dozens of his posts there. he even says that vice set it up so only he could post as himself. looks like he just got bored at some point. from what i know, the only time jg has pretended to be someone else is to attack jg. funny you should suspect that y.a.b. is him...i wondered the same thing for a moment. goad pulled a hoax in answer me! #4 where he and his wife pretended to be kentucky lesbians who hated the goads. they sent out their purposely bad fake goad-hating zine to everyone that had dissed them in print, and then did an article where they revealed the duplicity of all the goad-dissers who suddenly said what "great writers" these fake hillbilly lesbos were for no other reason than the fact that they said anti-goad things. it was a hoax that totally proved a point, unlike yab's fake-jigaboo act which backfired when everyone treated him worse after he admitted he was white. Subject: blah blah (continued) Date: Oct 07 2005 12:21:17 PM Author: PORKTAMER As usual, I'm impressed with the article as well the discussion that the article spurred. I had to listen to that fucking 'Do they know it's..." song again just to finish my post. I'm going to invent a baby-punching machine to play off the stress. Subject: blah blah Date: Oct 07 2005 09:43:43 AM Author: PORKTAMER I hate the "Don't they know it's Halloween" too. Fuck you, vice, for subjecting us to that wretched musical segment every time we have the audacity to read another one of your (online) articles. To the tired Briton: that's why I never go out of my way to get the paper copy. More often than not, I am more interested in the commentary than the articles. Jim Goad: please just post as yourself. I think it's kind of lame that in the last epic commentary-war, you bitched about someone pretending to be you when you only posted as yourself a couple times (I strongly suspect that you made up a major portion of the discussion). In this debate, I honestly fear the idea of 'Steve Caputi' being anyone other than you, Jim. Maybe it's one of your best friends - but even that would be creepy. The voice I hear when I read your articles is the same as Steve's. The "straight from the hung-like-a-horse's mouth" comment only circus-sealed the deal. I also suspect that someone high-jacked the YAB handle in this forum. I vaguely remember YAB having a couple decent points in the last go-'round. The YAB of this debate was monstrously retarded. It was almost as if YAB begged for more pro-Goad or pro-Goad's-article facts every time he wrote. Was that one of your friends acting on your behalf, Jim? Was that a Goad fan/friend trolling Jim? Or, does such an abominable asshat exist? As usual, I'm Subject: For the love of all that's holy... Date: Oct 07 2005 02:15:49 AM Author: Feces McChubb ...do you guys really need to stick that "We Are The World"-style song on every page of this issue? What the fuck is "Do they Know it's Halloween," anyway? Makes me want to snatch candy from starving children. Subject: ouch Date: Oct 06 2005 09:15:23 PM Author: 655321 truth hurts. thank you. Subject: this article Date: Oct 06 2005 05:02:22 PM Author: Chris is fucking bitter! Subject: Prince Date: Oct 06 2005 04:45:06 PM Author: William You Americans are fucking mental! I mean I've got to admit Vice wouldn't be the same without you lot posting all your comments after every article every single month, but do you never just sit back and think 'Fucking Hell!' If Vice wrote an article about peanuts there would be the same response. 'How can Jim possibly say Brazil Nuts are shit. That's just racist, it's threatening the whole moral fabric of America today.' bla bla bla Don't get me wrong I'm not knocking you but surely you must think, sometimes things have got a bit out of hand? I'd love to know what you people think of your society, I myself living in England think everyones a Cunt here! To make matters worse they're so ugly too and....sorry I'm going off on one, I get like this when I've just finished work Subject: Silly Date: Oct 06 2005 04:17:04 PM Author: black bastards "Chucky-Calling a Jamaican a "fag" will get you shot many times over. " Why do black people always resort to violence when some ' punk disses 'em!' It's always the same. It just makes you glad there's such things as hurricanes in the world. And I am Pissed off it didn't kill this 'Hate Jim Goad' prick. Where were you? Locked in your basement knocking one out over Bob Marley that's where! Subject: baby go doo-doo! Date: Oct 06 2005 04:06:12 PM Author: steve caputi "him along with his fans- will have to grow the fuck up...." when you stop makin' doo-doos in your diapers, will you show us the way? Subject: soapbox suzy Date: Oct 06 2005 03:14:33 PM Author: slab forget honing your skills; consider the power of consistent, concise, united letter campaigns. They work, I know from firsthand experience. Don't wait and practice on this ridiculous board. Yes, the government and ALL administrations do seem totally inaccessible but, that's only because you're not trying. Start on a local level with council members and your district representatives; have friends and family do the same. Work withing the system to shake the livelihood of these individuals and you'll find they will start working FOR you. Build enough momentum and you will affect change...it's inevitable. Subject: OMG! Date: Oct 06 2005 03:20:44 PM Author: Erin This "YAB" guy obviously tries to argue, but he always loses. Then he acts self-satisfied that he's upsetting people, but no one ever acts upset with him. They just take what he says and shows where he's wrong, and they do it cheerfully. Subject: More Slime in the Slug Trail Date: Oct 06 2005 02:48:32 PM Author: Kenny H. "He has left a long slug trail of easily disproven lies, retarded statements, fractured logic, pathetically obvious projection, and transparent revisionism of what he's said or done." Don't forget ample evidence of misspelling words he's obviously not qualified to use without an adult's supervision. YAB tried (and failed) to argue facts when he called up an article about Goad that cited an obviously satirical statement, and he tried to use it as proof of Goad's duplicity. When this was shown to have no merit, he backed into a corner when presented with proof that Goad's wife switched her tale repeatedly. Instead of being a man and conceding there's far more proof that she lied than Goad did, YAB burped up some self-help gibberish about how when abuse victims lie, it's not really lying. Oh, wait, no—he said it was Big Bad Abuser in Denial Goad who alleged she was lying, when it was actually Goad's wife who admitted she was lying on numerous occasions, all documented. And then, failing to satisfy repeated challenges to offer any evidence of Goad ever acting hypocritical, he comes around to square one and calls him a hypocrite again. There's evidence everywhere—in books, on the Net, everywhere—to support everything Goad's saying in the article, and no evidence anywhere to undermine it. And after having this wagged in his face, Slug Trail will just lie again and claim Goad has "zero" evidence. Subject: Magical Thinking Date: Oct 06 2005 02:10:24 PM Author: Sigmund Periodically YAB gets stupid and bold enough to state things as stone-cold facts, then when he's revealed to be lying or in error, which is always, he backtracks and says he "never" argues facts. That's what's great about this thread and the slavery thread. He has left a long slug trail of easily disproven lies, retarded statements, fractured logic, pathetically obvious projection, and transparent revisionism of what he's said or done. Despite the fact that he thinks he can hide his true self, an unbroken pattern emerges, one showing a person so small and scared that he's convinced himself his ego is universal truth—so much so, that he'll come on and claim he's never said things he's said, thinking his baby-rattling will somehow wipe away plain-as-day evidence that he's said it. When he isn't trying to argue facts and getting beaten at every turn, every word he types is a personal criticism rather than a logical criticism. When people successfully argue against what he's said as fact, he ignores it. When they suggest that the reason he ignores it is due to deep-seated character flaws, he shakes his baby rattle again and cries that they're attacking him personally. Prediction: Jim Goad will have fans, be in the public eye, and make a living as a writer long after YAB has a total mental breakdown. Subject: Poor wily nerds! :( Date: Oct 06 2005 12:53:55 PM Author: YAB. What can I say? I enjoy the fact that everytime I type something, you douche vomits are so welled up with emotion (and jizz and menses) that you literally can not stop yourselves from replying. I've basically been repeating myself over and over and over. And time and time again, you attack with the delusion of a unified front (constant usage of "us" and "we"). Your whole argument (complete lack there of) has hinged on my supposed wanting to "refute facts" neverminding the fact that (a) this never was my aim and (b) Goad is obviously talking out of his ass. He has zero proof that any of these people did any of the shit that he claims to uncovered and what barely passes as "the whole story" is common knowledge. Instead of attacking an idea, you do exactly what you cry Goad-detractors do, you invent straw man arguments (race, you just hate jim, [insert semantical arguments here], you're supposed to argue the facts! nevermind goad's beliefs and inherant hypocrisy) Until that moment of insecurity passes and people know to never mess with Goad again! >:o Or you're gonna be dealing with steve caputi (and gang). Enjoy your AIDS, you vapid cockoholics. Keep contributing to La Trahison De Clerc, your world leaders are greatful. ;) Subject: time and time again Date: Oct 06 2005 12:37:37 PM Author: soapbox suzy "If you really want to put your writting skills to work, try writting your congressman or Supreme Court Justices regarding the text that actually affects your life; like the Tax Code, or the congressional budget, or the Constitution." the government, especially this administration, seems totally inaccessible...maybe it's not bad to have people polishing their writing and research skills, as well as learning how to effectively argue a point [a skill YAB hasn't quite perfected]here so that they can be more effective "out there..." i'd hate to see the letter a douche like YAB would send to any of the places you mentioned Subject: Sad? Yes, I Think So—Very Date: Oct 06 2005 12:41:29 PM Author: Kenny H. Wow. Fake Nigga is SO idiotic. He'll take a shot in the dark, shoot himself in the foot with it, then deny it ever happens. Rinse. Repeat. Rinse. Repeat. I, too, chuckled at the "sad man" thing, because you KNOW that his behavior here translates into his drab daily life. Going about his insignificant daily business, he probably argues with everyone, loses on every point, gets insulted and called a fag repeatedly, and then goes home alone, claiming false victory to avoid total ego implosion. What a charmer! He'd do well to bone up (haw!) on Goad's extensive writings on the topic of psychological projection. Subject: Nemo Date: Oct 06 2005 11:48:30 AM Author: Vicarious Thrills I have to say that I'm enjoying watching this "yab" idiot get word-r!ped probably as much as the sick little boy enjoys fantasizing about Jim Goad get r!ped for real. Subject: time and time again Date: Oct 06 2005 10:22:08 AM Author: jonathan swift w/ steven hawking The comprhension of time still alludes us; this is clearly evidenced by the non-sensical debates that take place in this forum. The "heros" named in, and author of ,the above article so many of you passionately defend or disdain, illustrates the population's obsession with idiocy and the written word. You debate statements from an article written in jest? If you really want to put your writting skills to work, try writting your congressman or Supreme Court Justices regarding the text that actually affects your life; like the Tax Code, or the congressional budget, or the Constitution. scary. Subject: finally, he makes a very good point Date: Oct 06 2005 11:39:53 AM Author: steve caputi "It's about how much people hate him as a person. And what *kind* of people hate him." yes, well, li'l wounded puppy, i think you've done a stuplicitious job of proving exactly what sort of people hate him. Subject: unable to read Date: Oct 06 2005 11:34:06 AM Author: steve caputi learn how to read, shithead. no one accused you of lying for saying jim was a wigger. i said you were lying for alleging he denied being violent, unstable, or indulging in "misogynism." of course he never denied being a wigger, because HE'S the one who told everybody about it. you wouldn't known about it if it didn't come straight from the hung-like-a-horse's mouth. DURF!! he was eventually wise enough to realize how silly it is, tho. see, that's how he differs from you. if he makes a mistake, he changes it. and unlike you, he never claimed to be black. keep coming. keep losing. Subject: YAB/loser Date: Oct 06 2005 11:20:22 AM Author: Suzy Q. "Believe what you want, buddy. I'm quite bored with you now and I've enjoyed the attention that I've recieved. No, seriously, I got a boner." That is just sad. I've watched as your character and your "arguments" were, once again, decimated by the facts. I've yet to see you bring an actual point to the table...and you, who hides behind a screen and your own lies, consider this attention. Admit it, you're not bored, you've perhaps come to the realization that you really have nothing to say, nothing of worth to add to any discussion, and apparently no life of your own to speak of. I think you've confused being boring with being bored. You, my racially confused little man, are boring. Subject: By the way. Date: Oct 06 2005 11:21:33 AM Author: YAB. That wigger thing totally isn't a lie, maybe you should do your research? Read the biography? Jim probably took the wigger bit out of his act before 97, 98, 99 even...but you should be able to find the quote somewhere. I know I did. :) Subject: It's called Debatin' skillz, bitch. Date: Oct 06 2005 11:20:33 AM Author: YAB. 1st: You haven't stabbed anything to death, boner princess. Your zealotry means you're either Goad himself, or someone who really, REALLY does want to suck his dick and that's just OBVIOUS. Second of all, I could be man or woman or black or white and you would still find someway to make the argument about me. The only thing you've shown me is that Goad's career isn't about his writing. It's about how much people hate him as a person. And what *kind* of people hate him. It's a percarious situation to be in especially when you're 40-something "freelancing". (hahaha) I'mean: When Vice is the only magazine frequently publishing your shite...you know you're on the outs. (Also known as 'Arfin up) In 5 years, I'm 98% sure he will get more outlandish- but by that time- it'll be too late. He'll have too much gray in his hair for anyone to take his crass act seriously and him along with his fans- will have to grow the fuck up.... ....and come out of the closet. :-D Later gay boys! Subject: homophobic wiggers rule! Date: Oct 06 2005 11:16:51 AM Author: steve caputi dude...seriously...you can fuck my mom all you want, if you can find where she's buried. dollface, if you think fag jokes and mama jokes upset me, that's the funniest joke i've heard all day. obviously your closetedness and yr mama and secret crush jim goad are sore spots for you, or you wouldn't keep coming back to them and trying to foist 'em on others. i don't find much humor in fag jokes, but i'll kid you about it because since fag jokes comprise 99% of your repertoire, we all realized a long time ago what that says about you, and i find it HILARIOUS to hit you where it hurts. next article? it's a date, schnookums. until then, you can spend all your free time nuzzling up to what you so obviously want: http://www.jimgoad.net/images/goadcock/goadcock11.jpg Subject: Let the accusations fly!!! Date: Oct 06 2005 10:56:32 AM Author: YAB. Believe what you want, buddy. I'm quite bored with you now and I've enjoyed the attention that I've recieved. No, seriously, I got a boner. With said boner in hand...I'll be over at your mom's house for a nooner and I'll be sure to get your little sister involved in the mix. Come on, guy...you know you've always wanted to watch her deflowering. Runnin' around in that pretty dress? SHE'S ASKING FER IT. After I'm done with the only two holes she's good fer I'll get on workin' in that hole between her ears- just like a good Goadster shuuuudddd..... AAHAHAHAHA OH MAN Be here with me next Goad column? Is it a date? <3 Subject: we laugh and laugh and laugh at you Date: Oct 06 2005 10:54:16 AM Author: steve caputi "The guy obviously has a history of violence, mental instability and misogynism...all the while Goad claims to not be any of those." another made-up lie, ya wigger fag with an obvious crush on jg. he always claimed to be violent, always claimed to have a screw loose somewhere, and always expressed a disdain for females. DUR! you come on like a hyperemotional retard, try to make points that immediately get stabbed to death, fantasize again and again about prison r*ape and homosex (while calling people fags!), then you feel fit to talk about someone else's "mental instability" and their "sad life. HARDY-HAR-HAR! Subject: yab--tv-movie authority Date: Oct 06 2005 10:53:32 AM Author: steve caputi hahahah! this is endlessly entertaining to watch one-black-face, one-white-face trot out tv-movie cliches about domestic violence and prison r*pe as if watching these movies makes him an authority on anything besides sitting home alone and watching tv. he talks about "sad men," then spends YEARS on here pretending he doesn't care and secretly doesn't get "burned up" about all the support jg continues to get. we all laugh at you and your obvious frustration. don't think for a second this isn't fun for us. you spent one minute trying to prove a point, i blow it out of the water as strongly as you wanna blow jim goad, then you instantly and bitterly revert to the poo-poo ca-ca prison-r*ape and "racist" jokes. goad's crime and prison stint had nothing to do with any alleged crimes against his wife, porcupine. the reason people might disbelieve his wife is that she kept CHANGING HER STORY—which is PROOF she was lying somewhere. doy-uh! Subject: Blah blah blah Date: Oct 06 2005 10:38:08 AM Author: YAB. White, black, (black) does it matter? Your boy Goad freely admits to being a "wigger" himself at some point. If it's alright for him, why isn't it ok for some other poor whitey? Is it because he failed, like he has at everything else in life? (Marriage, Career) Geeeeee, I wonder what happened? Maybe he realized being black isn't some special club that's dictated by one instance in history? Maybe he realized he isn't going to fit in any more with the blacks than he did with ditch-pigs. POOR BABY. He needs a fucking mommy and maybe he'd keep one if didn't keep beating off to R4PE fantasies ever 40-seconds in his head. The guy obviously hates women and that tongue-in-cheek, aw dawg i'm just playin' bullshit is PLAYED OUT like that tape of me deep-dickin' mama caputi that I slang MAD NASTY on the internets. Subject: debbie goad and yab—soulmates? Date: Oct 06 2005 09:59:51 AM Author: steve caputi debbie goad: "he did it, he didn't, i was lying the first time, no i was lying the second time..." sounds familiar. where have i heard this before? oh, yeah: "i'm black, i'm white, i was lying the first time..." Subject: AND. Date: Oct 06 2005 10:17:52 AM Author: YAB. Hey and you know what? There's two truths that run through every abusive relationship. The woman always somehow deserved it, and the woman is always lying about what happened. Given the thoughts that frequently occupy Mr. Goad's fagbrain and given, you know, THE CONVICTION AND STAYOVER IN BUTTSEX-LAND AKA PRISON...I see no reason to believe the opposite of what happened. The guy obviously has a history of violence, mental instability and misogynism...all the while Goad claims to not be any of those. (Plus: DJ at a Country Western station? Raaacisssstttttt....) Obviously this is a sad, sad man who has made a career on sensational bullshit. Just like the guys in this article. The difference? More than white sad, dum-dums actually care about what these "heroes" had to say. And I know that burns you up inside soooo much that you have to run in cool yourself down with a nice cool glass of your mom's piss (her titts dried up long ago)...but once the urine steam evaporates? Your hero is a fucking sad loser, a bigger loser than Jack or Lenny or Bruce Lee or who ever the fuck. Subject: Jim Goad Date: Oct 06 2005 10:15:56 AM Author: Nick Another fine piece of work Mr. Goad. The Redneck Manifesto was great as with your with your other work with Answer Me! and shit. A book about nascar huh? I'm from Daytona and hate the sport (I even worked in the speedways attraction area for a bit hating it the enire time) so I'm not really all that excited, but the fact your writing a book about the subject kind of interests me. People really love that shit here,It's even crept its way into my home. My dad didnt like it at first when we moved from LI to DB but he came around and now hes hooked. Why the fuck am i posting this here, totally off subject. Well kinda Subject: :-D FUNNY!! Date: Oct 06 2005 10:06:34 AM Author: YAB. Come on Mayor McDickcheese, you KNEW that the "global conspiracy" bit wasn't what I was fucking referring to. The cops OBVIOUSLY pinned him on "subjugation by force" bit and there's no way you didn't know that. Listen, after a night of what I can only assume was homosexual sex with a man twice your age- it's important that you rid your nostrils (all the other holes are used up) of any remants of sperm the night after. That way, you won't come on here making wack ass semantical arguements. That cool with you, jizzbrain? You would think you would've learned this very same lesson from your mother, who I righteously booger-fucked 9 months before your birth into this world aka "The Place where you never win." Subject: never mind Date: Oct 06 2005 09:58:58 AM Author: steve caputi "He plead [sic] guilty and later said that he didn't feel guilty ..." SNAP! i think you've got him nailed here, chum! great detective work! this is good stuff! oh...fuck...saying you did something and then saying you didn't feel bad about it isn't a contradiction. never mind. again, kudos for a good attempt to conflate the legal concept of "guilt" (was an act committed?) with the idea of personal "guilty feelings" (did the perp feel bad?). you're straining really hard to have a point--that's obvious. sadly (for you, anywayz), it ain't nearly so hard to show you where you're wrong. funny line about "star wars," by the way. not as funny as trying to prop up "global male conspiracy" as a serious statement, but funny nonetheless. Subject: debbie's duplicity, yab's stuplicity Date: Oct 06 2005 09:28:40 AM Author: steve caputi by the way, about six months after that article, debbie again said she lied on the restraining order because she was jealous jg chose another chick over her. she said it in spin magazine. but whenever a purported victim admits they were lying, we're supposed to believe their admission of lying is a lie, because accusers never make up or embellish anything about the accused in order to get back at them. i mean, that isn't why we have trials and stuff--because the legal system isn't founded on the idea that accusers might possibly have motives for lying. but either way you slice the debbie goad cheese, it's obvious she was lying on at least one side of it. and hypocrite yab says nothing about it. instead, he'll puff up his bony chest and pretend "i am not a member of a global male conspiracy" was a SERIOUS statement. Subject: yab loses again Date: Oct 06 2005 09:20:53 AM Author: steve caputi mr. "i don't care about this, but i'll spend hours telling you, and thus am not being duplicitous by pretending to have a point about goad's alleged duplicity" cites an article that says: "In issue No. 4 of Answer Me! Goad writes, "I am not a member of a global male conspiracy to subjugate women by force." so far, so good.. "But on May 31 '99 police charged Goad with EXACTLY that-" —SCREECH! STOP! so police charged him with being a member of a global male conspiracy to subjugate women by force? really? and then he cites quotes which proves Goad's wife was all over the map with her obviously non-satirical claims..."he did it, he didn't, i was lying, no i wasn't," and mr. "i'm not two-faced" doesn't make a canary peep about goad's wife nor her rampaging duplicity which is revealed here in spades. no, yab, you're not being duplicitous at all, mon frere. see what i did, yab? i used your source (first one you've ever cited) and proved where the errors were...goad makes a jokey statement about not being a member of a conspiracy (it was obviously a joke and not a statement about never holding a bitch down), a stupid article says the cops charged him with EXACTLY being a member of said conspiracy, and then you act like you have something here. nice try. a failed try, but at least you're trying now. Subject: Almost forgot.... Date: Oct 06 2005 05:17:06 AM Author: YAB. ...later when asked about the whole "not subjugating women by force" thing...Goad said: "Huh? O-oh I'm sorry, I meant THE force. Like in Star Wars?" Subject: VICE 2015 Date: Oct 06 2005 05:15:51 AM Author: YAB. Jim "Says one thing, does another" Goad. Dying a horrible R4PE death in 2014, this man who wrote: "Women secretly enjoy R4PE." claimed to not only to not be a mysoginst, but that his critics didn't understand irony or satire. That didn't appear to be the case in '97 when wife Debbie Goad learned about her cancer. That must've been the straw that broke the gaylord's hymen because then Goad, husband of 10 years began beating her on a daily basis. Debbie accused Goad of kicking, spitting and threatening her life- according to a restraining order filed in Multnomah county court. Apparently, Debbie now claims the restraining order was a "misunderstanding" (as all victims do) but when asked if she lied to the judge in order to attain said restraining order she said: "No." But is he a hypocrite? Duplicitous? In issue No. 4 of Answer Me! Goad writes, "I am not a member of a global male conspiracy to subjugate women by force." But on May 31 '99 police charged Goad with exactly that- for beating his girlfriend Skye Ryan so badly she magically wound up in an ER. He was charged with kidnapping and six counts of assault. He plead guilty and later said that he didn't feel guilty as he went into ANOTHER overly-descriptiive depiction of the act. Subject: Stupendously Stuplicitous! Date: Oct 06 2005 02:49:50 AM Author: Kenny H. Doesn't "duplicitous" mean "two-faced"? You know, like one black one and one white one? Subject: FOR FUCK'S SAKE, GET OVER IT Date: Oct 06 2005 02:34:27 AM Author: Erin The way I see it, no reasonable person could conclude the theme of this article is, "You should hate these people for their misdeeds but overlook mine." It's more like, "I hate hypocrites, and I think you're a moron if you don't." Anyone who feels like they're being told what to think, and that they either have to obey or start screaming about it, isn't the sharpest tool in the shed to begin with. Subject: stuplicity Date: Oct 06 2005 02:21:55 AM Author: steve caputi "i'm not—AT ALL—accusing him of saying one thing and doing the other, i'm accusing him of being 'duplicitious,' which freedictionary.com describes as 'pretending one set of feelings and acting under the influence of another.'" sorry we all missed your point the first time, stephen hawking. Subject: Blinded by his Own Jizz Date: Oct 06 2005 02:03:49 AM Author: Chucky Dipshit, no one's arguing with your statement that all these "idols," as well as Goad, get criticized for acts perceived as amoral. But if you'd wipe the cum out of your eyes, you might realize that what you're saying has NOTHING to do with the article. The article is about hypocrisy and how it might be ill-advised to worship hypocrites. And you're unable to effectively criticize the article because you can't point to the author's hypocrisy. "I'm not saying Goad "says one thing and does another" am I? No, I'm not. I realize your whole argument hinges on this, but that's not my statement at. all. " But Goad's whole argument about these idols hinges on it, too, though, Corky. To avoid that is to avoid the article and argue with...what? Subject: Skeet-Shooting T-Cells Date: Oct 06 2005 01:49:58 AM Author: Kenny H. "Goad tries to play it like...we should percieve [sic] them in exactly the same way that he (probably) wishes people wouldn't percieve [sic] him." I doubt Goad spends much time fretting over the idea that people perceive him as a hypocrite. Thus, butter-buns, your use of the phrase "exactly the same way" is imbecilic. Subject: Still don't get it? Date: Oct 06 2005 01:38:17 AM Author: YAB. Quote: "so who looks like corky from "life goes on" here, genius?" Who is "Corky" and what the fuck is "Life goes on"? Quote: "in the article, they're being criticized for standing up and saying one thing, THEN sitting down and doing another...NOT the same as goad at all." But yet again, I'm not saying Goad "says one thing and does another" am I? No, I'm not. I realize your whole argument hinges on this, but that's not my statement at. all. SINCE IT BEARS REPEATING: "These people were persecuted and criticized for standing up and saying what they said, same as Goad. Sure, these people behaved in ways that could be perceived as amoral, but then again- so has Goad." Subject: Fiddlesticks, fudge, and poopie darn! Date: Oct 06 2005 01:21:35 AM Author: Kenny H. If the author's intent even remotely appeared to be, "People shouldn't criticize me for standing up and saying what I believe in, but I'm going to turn around and criticize these guys for standing up and saying what they believe in," then YAB, m'man, you'd have a point. It'd be intensely hypocritical of JG. But that is such a twisted and obviously false revision of this article, I spit skim milk out of my nose laughing at it. Jesus Christ, punkin' pie, after the drubbing you got on the slavery thread, you should have at least done some soul-searching and vowed never again to come on here with such an easily murdered straw man. Heavens to Betsy, sailor, they're not being dissed for "speaking their mind," at least not here. As with the slavery article, the only way you can pretend to have a point is to make believe the article is saying something it obviously isn't. Subject: thick as a fake nigga in a poopstorm Date: Oct 06 2005 01:15:48 AM Author: steve caputi "These people were persecuted and criticized for standing up and saying what they said, same as Goad. " maybe elsewhere at other points in time, but within this article's confines, you are wrong-o, sweet gaybird of youth! your analogies are so lame and misdirected, they need a walker and a seeing-eye dog. in the article, they're being criticized for standing up and saying one thing, THEN sitting down and doing another...NOT the same as goad at all. except for mister rogers, goad doesn't seem to have a problem with what they said, only that they didn't follow through. he's being criticized for what he DID, which, although it bears no relevance to what he's saying here, NEVER conflicted with anything he's EVER said. absolutely different. you either fail to apprehend this, or you refuse to acknowledge it, so you're either dumb or a liar. either way, you crave his hot white bone-bone. Subject: i'm rubber, you're dumb Date: Oct 06 2005 12:51:04 AM Author: steve caputi "So, does that mean you care, very deeply about my criticsim of the article? So much that you must spend hours on hours trying to refute every idea I put forth?" don't flatter thyself, tonto. i'm a huge fan of the writer and am admittedly diligent about at least getting the facts right. i admit i care about the topic and that's why i spend hours on it...but you, fooling no one, try and pass it off like you don't care, yet you spend hours, too, so who looks like corky from "life goes on" here, genius? Subject: Obviously. Date: Oct 06 2005 12:36:51 AM Author: YAB. So, does that mean you care, very deeply about my criticsim of the article? So much that you must spend hours on hours trying to refute every idea I put forth? I mean, if my stupidity, as you said, is really that obvious do we really need a highlighter? Quote: "the thing you keep failing to produce is a spermatozoa-sized example of goad doing one thing and saying another" And I'm never gonna. Why? Because I'm not saying "Goad said one thing and did another" What I'm saying is this: These people never fashioned themselves as being "heroes", just doing something they believed in, same as Goad. These people were persecuted and criticized for standing up and saying what they said, same as Goad. Sure, these people behaved in ways that could be perceived as amoral, but then again- so has Goad. No matter how hard you try to outshout it, those're the facts. What, for me, makes this article duplicitous and base is how Goad tries to play it like these people shouldn't be "our" heroes and how we should percieve them in exactly the same way that he (probably) wishes people wouldn't percieve him. I guess because that, you know, make Goad look dumb and make you dumb for defending him through his own jizz caked on your teeth. Subject: is getting a restraining order ratting? Date: Oct 06 2005 12:31:49 AM Author: steve caputi it occurred to me that getting a restraining order might appear to be "ratting," and on one level i guess it is. but all the evidence leads me to believe goad's assertion that he filed it just to keep the girl away rather than to get her jailed. if he wanted to get her busted, he could have easily done it. she even taunted him about it, but the police records show he continually refused. here's a transcript from a taped call the girl left him. the call is in text form and mp3 form on his website: "I am such a masochist—I really want to go to jail, so please hand this tape over to the police and tell them I'm calling you, I'm violating the restraining order, it's 10:15pm and I really really really need to go to jail. So, have them over here as soon as possible,.. I can't stay away from you, I'm gonna have to be behind bars, so go ahead, and do what you will, Jim Goad." his "will" was not to arrest her. and after all this, she went ahead and had him arrested. from my vantage, he's a better human than her. Subject: different flavors of amorality Date: Oct 06 2005 12:12:55 AM Author: steve caputi why i cut goad more slack than the schmendricks he lists in this article is because i find it less amoral to lose your temper for ten minutes after you've been pushed to the brink than to spend your entire life posing as something you aren't or to rat on your friends/lovers. despite what you lied about earlier, my fair yabbie, the overwhelming evidence in goad's criminal case showed a continued reluctance on his part to lock his chickie behind bars, despite all her shenanigans. i read 'shit magnet,' and even after he got a restraining order and she kept hitting him and threatening him, he always made it clear he only took out the r.o. in order to try and defuse the situation, but in practice, he shooed the cops away when push came to shove because he considered incarcerating someone more immoral than hitting them. i admire that. maybe you don't. no skin off my curvaceous ass, squanto. Subject: very, very good question Date: Oct 06 2005 12:01:58 AM Author: steve caputi "Steve, why are you so convinced that I care more about this article or Jim Goad than I actually do?" well, right outta da xbox, let's just rule out possibilities such as THE SHEER AMOUNT OF TIME YOU'VE SPENT ON THIS THREAD AND THE SLAVERY THREAD TALKING ABOUT HIM. Subject: sorry about giving you the hiv, yab Date: Oct 05 2005 11:51:22 PM Author: steve caputi y.a.b., sugar-bean, what continually escapes you is that you present your suspicions about the author's intentions as fact and then base your entire electric boogaloo on that. the thing you keep failing to produce is a spermatozoa-sized example of goad doing one thing and saying another, which is what seems to be this article's gist. and when you keep failing to understand that, this leads us to think you're a dumbo. no one really cares whether or not you like the man. honestly, satchmo! but when you keep lying to prove your point, it substantially weakens your point and makes us suspect personal spite on your part. the fact that goad never stoops to lying makes us more disposed to take him at face value. if you quit lying, we'd accept the fact that you don't like him and then tell you to shut up because you keep repeating yourself. Subject: Oh yeah. Date: Oct 05 2005 11:44:44 PM Author: YAB. "Get real" was supposed to have quotations. Steve, why are you so convinced that I care more about this article or Jim Goad than I actually do? Why are you constantly crying out in annoying cookie-monster-esque monotone: "HE NO CARE ABOUT FACTS!" I never once said: "I hope Jim Goad dies and never writes again." and I never, not once, came here to contest any "facts". I, initially, just wanted to talk shit. Then you guys got all butt-hurt. (poor babies!) Then I simply questioned the motives and implictions of such an article being written...and such an article being published by vice. Seriously buddy, where's the beef? :( Subject: even smarter than you thought Date: Oct 05 2005 11:44:03 PM Author: steve caputi "Jim graduated from Temple with a 3.67 GPA." according to portland paper 'willamette week,' his gpa was 3.76, ya li'l maple-bottom, ya. pretty impressive for a hack who always gets his facts wrong. and "cap'n jack," i'm not sure exactly when you were struck in the head with a brick, but jfk's hypocrisy--and goad's lack of it--comes from jfk posturing himself as a peacemaker. jfk wasn't being crticized for being violent, but for being a liar. DUH! you're dumber than a pile of jizz if you don't grasp that. your stupidity is the only thing that's "bizarre," ya dumbfuck. Subject: Gyeah, Wha'eva! I do what I want! Date: Oct 05 2005 11:40:44 PM Author: YAB. If you can get HIV from reading my posts, then it's because I contracted full-blown AIDS from steve's. And it's the worst kind: Gay AIDS, none of this: Blood Transfusion mystery surprise AIDS you read about in that brochure they gave you in middle school. Guys, guys, guys... Let's get real here and at least question the underlining hypocrisy that runs rampant in the article. These people never fashioned themselves as being "heroes", just doing something they believed in, same as Goad. These people were persecuted and criticized for standing up and saying what they said, same as Goad. Sure, these people behaved in ways that could be perceived as amoral, but then again- so has Goad. No matter how hard you try to outshout it, those're the facts. What, for me, makes this article duplicitous and base is how Goad tries to play it like these people shouldn't be "our" heroes and how we should percieve them in exactly the same way that he (probably) wishes people wouldn't percieve him. Subject: Capt. Jackoff Date: Oct 05 2005 11:37:46 PM Author: Capt. Jack OK. CaptJackoff, (nice name) I understand where your coming from now, and I suspect you might also be “good article” as well, because once again Ill have to explain things as literally as I can so you can grasp the basic meaning of my statement. The act of being a warmonger ‘a politician or other leader who is often encouraging a country to go to war,’ can also easily be viewed as to profit from, arrange conflict to profit from, or otherwise happily engage in violent acts. Though there are differences between that and beating women, there is a connection in that they are both violent in nature. I cant guess wether he actually did it, or what, and I don’t even care enough to google it and find out, I’m just saying if it is true, then it qualifies as hypocrisy, I don’t care if j. goad says he is a also a violent person, it is still hypocrisy, though some bazaar offshoot of it no doubt, to point out what a fuck someone is, and act similarly is hypocrisy, I read Vice every once in a while so if there anything else you cant figure out feel free to drop me a line, sport. Subject: his niglessness Date: Oct 05 2005 11:25:33 PM Author: steve caputi it seems obvious to me that Yet Another Boner for Goad doesn't care in the slightest about facts or research, because if he did, he wouldn't routinely ignore the fact that his patently false statements are always disproven and his repeated mantra of "goad's facts are wrong" would be backed up by even a whisper of corroboration. seems pretty obvious that he's just a lonely perv who gets his jollies through annoying people who are earnest enough to discuss these things while staying within the boxing ring of facts and logic. and what's hilariously transparent, aside from his boner for jg, is his little-man outrage at the fact that goad chugs away writing new books, stirring mad controversy, and winning admirers. Subject: gay for goad Date: Oct 05 2005 10:37:25 PM Author: steve caputi m.c. not-a-nigga is so obviously gay for goad, you can get HIV just reading his posts. Subject: Bales of Gay Date: Oct 05 2005 10:31:12 PM Author: Chucky You're free to configure the world in whatever way makes it easier for you to have a bowel movement, Mr. (Jeff) Bale (Tim) Yo, but your "point" becomes much weaker in light of the fact that Mykel Board has always claimed to be a fan of Jim Goad. MRR went so far as to call him a "genius." Sweet dreams. Subject: Boomer wannabes Date: Oct 05 2005 10:05:04 PM Author: Bale Yo A weak imitation of Mykel Bored writing for a weak imitation of Spy magazine. Boomer wannabes. All this schtick is 15-25 years old, minimum, why are people acting like it's such the "latest thing?" Subject: as well Date: Oct 05 2005 09:33:20 PM Author: a. a. kivela I don’t always agree with what he has to say, but I also don’t discredit him for what he does in his personal life. That seems to be a major theme on this thread. Does one punch to a woman’s head discredit ALL of that research? If so, does that make Bill Burroughs a “hack” because he shot his wife in the face? Are his stories less valid because he used to shoot (and deal) smack, which in turn (the dealing) probably resulted in dozens of deaths? Or does it mean that Allen Ginsberg is a talent-less slob because he liked to fuck the rosy red assholes of young boys? Subject: gay, too Date: Oct 05 2005 09:33:00 PM Author: a. a. kivela http://www.dvmen.org/dv-33.htm "Moreover, the police tend to share these same traditional gender role expectations. This adds to the legal and regulatory presumption that the offender is a man. As a result, the police are reluctant to arrest women for domestic assault. Women know this. That is, they know they are likely to be able to get away with it. As in the case of other crimes, the probability of a woman assaulting her partner is strongly influenced by what she thinks she can get away with. [quote taken from preprint]" Jim said in an interview that when he did the R4PE issue of Answer ME! he read something like, 150+ books on the subject, not to mention news reports and the like. In The Redneck Manifesto, he sites all of his sources in the back of the book, which are copious. He has also stated that when writing Answer ME!’s first 3 issues he was spending his entire vacations at the library looking through microfiche. I don't see anyone here actually looking into those sources and shooting them down. It just seems like a bunch of whiney pussies that are getting offended by what the bad, bad man said. If you want to have an intellectual discussion about why he's a shitty writer, (that doesn't involve "he's a wife beating piece of shit!" or "fuck him, he's RACIST"), then please, post more. i haven't seen ANYONE on this thread actually take on ANYTHING that he's he's written about. Subject: gay Date: Oct 05 2005 09:32:01 PM Author: a. a. kivela If there’s one thing that I respect about Jim Goad is that he takes the blame for things that he's done. He never says, "I didn’t beat up my ex-girlfriend, she's lying, I am telling the truth, believe me...". His domestic violence wasn't even a secret when he met this girl, nor were his altercations with individuals throughout his life. In fact, it had been well documented in online discussions, interviews, and such. She knew who he was, who she was getting involved with etc, etc, etc. One would tend to believe, then, that she knew what she was getting herself into. ADULTS who contribute to violent situations, should be prepared to deal with violence. He states SEVERAL times in SHIT MAGNET that, YES, he was to blame, but SHE was just as much to blame for the violence. That she instigated the violence just as many times as he did (if not more). He plainly says that women who hit like men, should suffer the same consequences as men. Plain and simple. It is a FACT that women contribute to domestic violence just as much as (and sometimes more than) men. It is also a FACT that women get away with these situations more than men do because they CAN. Subject: Arnold Schwasanigga Date: Oct 05 2005 06:30:42 PM Author: Kenny H. Why do people automatically assume what Goad writes is true? Might be the teeniest bit related to the fact that every time one of his facts is challenged, megatons of evidence emerge to support it. Every time. You can't challenge a single thing in this article, and neither could you with the slavery article. Why do people automatically assume what Goad writes is true? Might be related to the fact that every time someone calls his facts into question or say he's lying, that's ALL they ever do—they never, ever, ever, ever disprove them. Lazy shuffling fake nigga, you're the champ at that. Up and down this thread and all over the slavery thread, you open your yap only to get it smashed shut. First the "gacked while beating," then the "Bell Curve used as a source," now the charming "snitch" and "prison fag." Great. Every time, you reveal yourself to be a punk who just makes up shit and hides. And when the sources come barreling at you to support Goad and disprove you, you just turn around and deny that it ever happens. The only thing that's puzzling is whether this is obvious to you or if you're as truly delusional as you appear. Either way, everything else is clear: you're pathetic. Amazing how many time Goad's cock and sex life emerges in what you say. You're aware of what the professionals say about fag-accusers, right? Subject: What's Wrong About "Wrong" Date: Oct 05 2005 06:22:24 PM Author: Kenny H. And niggas don't read, right? In Chapter Ten of "The Redneck Manifesto," Goad already debunks your "phoney" [sic] accusation by claiming he was half-redneck, half-weirdo. He said he had one foot in that world, one foot somewhere else—precisely the sort of honesty Bob Marley, with a rich parent of the sort that Goad never had, avoided. But at least Bob Marley had one rich parent. Goad's place of birth and upbringing have been well-documented as firmly working class. And he'd probably argue you into the dirt about the stereotype that rednecks don't read or go to college. "Oh, my family..." FUCK your family. No one gives a fuck about your family. You're another doofus who thinks his anecdotal family experience somehow translates into universal truth. Subject: half a mic Date: Oct 05 2005 06:05:53 PM Author: what's wrong If half a mic is right about Bob, then Jim Goad is a phoney. Jim wrote the Redneck Manifesto, but Jim graduated from Temple with a 3.67 GPA. He's a phoney redneck. Most of my family are rednecks. They didn't go to college. Subject: Why do you automatically... Date: Oct 05 2005 05:38:54 PM Author: YAB. ...assume all of this is true? Where's his sources? Where's the proof? (Oh wait, there ain't none) Tabloids have been saying shit like this for years. So Yeah, his articles are the wife-beating equivalent to "The Grinch who Christmas." There's no Santa? :( Well guess what gayboy? Christmas isn't about Santa. It's about buying stuff and hating jews. Bob Marley wasn't black? :( Guess what? Martin Luther King wasn't 100% negroid either! AND he cheated on his wife!! OH NOES...MY INTERNETS CAN'T HANG WITH THIS SHIT!! Lenny Bruce was a rat? So? What is this, the movie "Colors"? Was Lenny Bruce a crip? If you were an addict swamped in debt and unable to support yourself or your habit doing what you love because you've been blackballed- you'd snitch too. It was either that or man-on-man anal. And Jim, I know you passed the f-a-g test that is prison life with flying rainbow glitter technicolors. But it's not for everyone. No one's going: "Didja hear about Jim? Snitched on his wife like a little. BITCH." You snitch and you STILL got two years. Jealous much? Jim: 0 Life: Wins Subject: YES! Date: Oct 05 2005 03:57:21 PM Author: time thank you jonathan!!!! enjoy satire indeed! i know i do... Subject: time Date: Oct 05 2005 02:03:55 PM Author: jonathan swift many take satire too seriously. stop wasting your time debating minutia and enjoy the humor. Subject: how i love ya, how i love ya Date: Oct 05 2005 07:36:09 AM Author: steve caputi "white people are fucked up." ... "white people are too angry." ... "white people can't conceive of an intelligent black." ... "white people this." ... "white people that." ... "white people white people, boo hoo hoo!" "racism is wrong! and it's a point that has NEVER been made before!" "and i should know racism is wrong, because i pretend to be black!" HOLY FUCK, STOP THE PRESSES! I THINK YOU'RE ONTO SOMETHING! MMMMMAMMY! Subject: mammy! Date: Oct 05 2005 07:19:34 AM Author: steve caputi everyone who reads goad's articles besides y.a.b.: "i didn't know blacks owned slaves in the american south." ... "i didn't know bob marley was half-white." ... "i didn't know white convict slaves were sent here before they were sent to australia." ... "i didn't know timothy leary was a rat." ... "i didn't know jack kerouac was a gay-basher." ... "i didn't know iron eyes cody wasn't an injun." ... "i didn't know only 1.4 percent of whites owned slaves in america at the peak of slavery." ... "i didn't know blacks in america make 50 times what african blacks make." ... y.a.b.: "derf, derf, flerf, he writes about shit that everyone already knows. it's like telling people there's no santa claus." yyyyyessssss, another crushing criticism there, al jolson! you're like a fucking district attorney, kid! please continue! your points are too strong! mammy! oooooh, mammy! Subject: yab sings "mammy" again Date: Oct 05 2005 06:50:41 AM Author: steve caputi " The worst kind of sham- he who doesn't stand for jack shit." yipes, whatta searingly damning condemnation from the internet's al jolson, ladies and gents! we all quake from his brash judgments! the only thing you've proven you "stand for" is lies, you faux-negro garden slug. your online ass has been dilated by the truth time and time again. you hide behind a facade and are such a fuck-up you can't even maintain a fucking facade! whahahahahahaha! yes, rubber ducky, you are truly a prophet of rage! Subject: Your breath? Reeks of Jim's cock. Date: Oct 05 2005 04:27:44 AM Author: YAB. Oh but he is a sham. The worst kind of sham- he who doesn't stand for jack shit. A passive-agressive crybaby who is in the same practice of "Sensational facts" as mainstream media is. It's whirlwind after whirlwind of useless bullshit factiods designed to do...what exactly? What's next Vice? Gonna do some research on Kate's coke addiction? Or how about a shoot on that guy from Libertines next? Oh...wait...looks like you exploited him already. Next we're going to find out that Michael Jackson is a child molester and Thom Yorke drives a lincoln town car... OH NOOoooooOOOOOooooooo Subject: authenticity...the y.a.b. method Date: Oct 05 2005 02:55:45 AM Author: steve caputi for y.a.b., the only way for a white person not to be a sham is to be like y.a.b. -- a white person who pretends they're a black person. one more time, in unison: OOOOOH-KAYYYYYY... Subject: Sham on You Date: Oct 05 2005 02:42:15 AM Author: Kenny H. "my implicit anonymity instantly voids me from all that shit. " Mmmm...maybe within the tiny pinprick of darkness that you call a mind. Everywhere else, you lose. The only thing that your implicit anonymity, coupled with your popcorn string of lies, "instantly voids [you] from" is the ability to make believable statements not only about facts, but about anyone else's authenticity. Subject: yet another blooper Date: Oct 05 2005 02:23:08 AM Author: steve caputi what's transparently sham-worthy here is mista not-a-nigga's insistence that goad doesn't really mean what he says and that he actually means what not-a-nigga says he means. oooooh-kayyyyyyyy... Subject: Sham YAB Am Date: Oct 05 2005 02:03:43 AM Author: Kenny H. YAB: What seperates [sic] him from any other white angst sensation that's proven to be a total fucking sham? What makes him, ANY different than any of these other fucks he railed against in this article? Your utter inability to offer one flea-sized speck of evidence that he's a "sham." You lie about being black—or white, doesn't matter—and then feel qualified to talk about who's a sham? Fake nigga, shame on you! Again and again, shit falls out of your mouth and it gets blown to pieces like skeet-shooting. Again and again, you make false statements that are proven to be false. And then you talk about shams? With each turd that plops from your mouth, you make Goad look better. Subject: WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Date: Oct 05 2005 02:05:38 AM Author: it's me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Subject: WTF Date: Oct 04 2005 10:54:18 PM Author: it's me http://myspace-766.vo.llnwd.net/00217/66/70/217110766_l. /> jpg /> Subject: Heh. Date: Oct 05 2005 01:57:22 AM Author: YAB. Hey and you can continue make assumptions about what I want to look like to whatever mystery audience, but my implicit anonymity instantly voids me from all that shit. And what kind of thinly veiled racism is: "Blacks are capablable of cruelity too! See they're HUMAN!" anyway? - it's like: Ok? No one is saying they aren't. Just like not EVERYONE is saying that these people are "heroes". I guess lack of substantial beliefs are just intrinsic with guys like Jim and Vice magazine. Perfect fit for culture extortion. Subject: Bah. Date: Oct 05 2005 01:56:19 AM Author: YAB. It's not that I block it out of my mind, it's just that I don't care. If you're in a relationship where you're getting your ass beat on a continued basis, you leave. Man or woman, you don't supress your rage and until you finally decide enough is enough and bust somebody in the mouth, getting sent to prison AKA R-A-P-E-Land for two years. It's passive-agressive and that seems to be a running theme in his life and writing (snicker) "career". There's nothing noble about secretly wanting to be thought of as a cultural icon/hero. That's the opposite of nobility, dickbrain. I think you got noble mixed up with "white angst". His attack on these schmucks is passive-agressive in that he doesn't have the balls to come out and say: "I think blacks should shut up about slavery. Or...anyone who stands up for something- ANYTHING is highly suspect! Everyone love me, instead!" "Give him credit because he's will to take shit for beliefs"? What seperates him from any other white angst sensation that's proven to be a total fucking sham? What makes him, ANY different than any of these other fucks he railed against in this article? Subject: MISTER ROGERS Date: Oct 05 2005 01:47:58 AM Author: i t ' s m e which MISTER ROGERS you are talking about ? Subject: JG is a racist, wife-beating drug fiend Date: Oct 05 2005 01:08:10 AM Author: Karlheinz HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE MISTER ROGERS!!!!! Subject: Bell Curve Date: Oct 05 2005 01:21:44 AM Author: Kenny H. YAB: "Did he or did he not use the Bell Curve as a source for his counter-arguements [sic] concerning the article? " He did not. A million other people bandied around The Bell Curve, but not him. Goad does not mention it at all on that thread, nor in the article, nor in his Q&A about the article. So you originally said he used it as a source to write the article. When that was proven wrong, you backpedaled and said he used it in his arguments. Now that that is proven wrong, I can't imagine you'd say you're wrong. Even though you are. Looking back on that article and this one, I can point to dozens of patently anti-white statements you've made, and yet you cry racism when someone mildly suggests that blacks aren't foolish enough to argue in circles like you do. Can't have it both ways. Well, if you pretend you're black and then admit you're white and then pretend you're black again, apparently you believe you can have it both ways. But you can't. Thus, you're wrong. Subject: Why I Respect Jim Goad Date: Oct 05 2005 12:34:17 AM Author: Kenny H. Not lying about yourself and getting tons of shit for it seems a little nobler than lying about yourself and being worshiped because of it. It's more masochistic, sure, but YAB, whether or not you like the man or think he has talent, I think you should at least cut Jim Goad some slack for refusing to buckle under intense public criticism. It ultimately doesn't matter whether or not he's wrong. He seems convinced he's right, and he'll endure whatever shitstorms necessary merely to speak his mind. Having read Jim Goad since the ANSWER ME! days, I can say without question that if there's one group he criticizes more than anyone else, it's those who consider him a hero. In interview after interview, he acts exasperated at being loved by people for telling them he hates them. I don't think he wants to be considered a hero, but everything he writes about and everything he says about himself seems impelled by a naive belief that if you're honest to the point of risking your life for that honesty, people will at least give you credit for it. He fails again and again to understand that the world doesn't work that way. I can't speak for the author's intention, only my take on it. But that's what it seems like to me. Subject: jim goad...mr. equality Date: Oct 05 2005 12:08:13 AM Author: steve caputi goad hit a girl back. you keep neglecting that part, so i'll remind you and everyone else here. his mug shot shows his face all scratched-up. the fact that his blood, too, was spilled in this incident, for which you only want to blame him rather than both parties, is well-documented. his "victim" admits she hit him on this and several other occasions. yet you can conveniently block everything she did out of your mind. from all i've read of his, i think it is such displays of blind cognitive dissonance which impels him to write. then he did over two years in prison for hitting her back while she didn't do a day, and yet your outrage and sense of injustice isn't stirred in the least. you pretend to empathize with a victim you've never met in order to appear like a good person. the fact that he mentions slavery in modern-day africa would lead me to believe he thinks that blacks, too, are capable of cruelty and harm. not just white males. so he seems pretty equality-minded, actually. more than almost any writer i've ever seen. what does this all say about his personality? that he considers women human and blacks human and capable of inflicting harm on others, just like white men. that he doesn't have a half-assed, schizo view that if females and blacks act violent, we should make excuses as if they were children, but if white males act violent, we should condemn them to eternal hell. Subject: And. Date: Oct 04 2005 11:46:34 PM Author: YAB. Quote: "you might be onto something regarding vice, but i honestly don't see that in any of jg's writing. he seems much more concerned with being "right," and most of the stances he takes are considered highly UNcool, both by the 99% of the mainstream and 99% of the hipsters." It's not IN JG's writing. I will not sit here and say that Bob Marley is 100% black. It's in what his work implies and what the magazine implies by holding Jim in such a high regard that they consider what he says to be "uncool" enough to cool up their image. It paints this culturally abusive idea of Vice that wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for them literally telling you what clothes to buy and what music to listen to. What are they (or Jim) telling us here? Is it that because these guys supposedly "lied" about their "true selves" that we should see Goad as a hero, because he doesn't? Is that the "thrust" of his argument? Just askin'. Subject: White, So angry. Date: Oct 04 2005 11:41:51 PM Author: YAB. Quote: "That's ok. now that you've been outed as liar--and now coming on here pretending you're black again." Know what just occured to me? Why is it so impossible to believe that I lied about being white? Are blacks, clever blacks, such a novelity to whites that they frequently go around in intellectual black face? Seriously, dude, you have severe issues with race. Quote: "you keep going back to vice and goad as dictators of "cool" ...and the entire limp thrust of your "argument" is that you know what's cool rather than them." Good assumption, but wrong and devoid of any absolute logic or truth. The thrust of my argument is subjectivity. It's entirely subjective as to if these people were heroes or not. Jack Kueroac never said: "I'm a hero!!!" and it's completely subjective as to what their lifestyles imply. But I guess that's Jim's approach to life. He can provide all the facts that led up to him beating his girl- but in the end? He hit a girl. And I guess we should ignore what his actions imply about his personality or his psychology...especially when it comes to him speaking on issues like slavery and heroes. Subject: Coolness through Uncoolness Date: Oct 04 2005 11:14:36 PM Author: Schnibby Schnurblesssen Maybe Jim Goad and VICE are trying to be cool by taking stances that no one considers cool, which is pretty cool! Subject: Nothing to say about the questions? :( Date: Oct 04 2005 11:16:17 PM Author: YAB. "...so where does Goad's slavery article mention "The Bell Curve" and where does "The Bell Curve" mention slavery?" Never said his article "mentions" the Bell Curve. And I never even fucking implied the Bell Curve mentions slavery. Did he or did he not use the Bell Curve as a source for his counter-arguements concerning the article? Quote: "Oh, so you're "black" again this week?" I'm whatever helps you sleep at night. Quote: "No one cared about your race, only your atrocious anti-logic and your —and the "blacks don't argue on the internet" was actually an anti-white comment, you hater and distorter of all that's real and factual. the sentiment was, "blacks don't waste this much time acting foolish." Ok guy, the comment translated out to more like: "Blacks don't debate about stuff." Sure, what I was saying may have been "foolish". But it was still an argument that I was apart of. If you really didn't care about race then no comment on what black people do with their free time would've been made at all. I wouldn't expect someone from the "racial sterotypes are good for you!" school of thought to come within the circumference of a pubic hair of understanding this. Subject: And again? Date: Oct 04 2005 11:15:02 PM Author: YAB. "Funny thing is, on that slavery thread, people treated him more respectfully when he said he was black." Hence the experimental change to whitey in mid-argument. That was the point. The slavery issue and those arguing for or against any "facts" is about race and the treatment of one race. To reduce American Slavery down to: "Whites were slaves too." shows a complete misunderstanding about American Slavery. Don't get upset because your hang ups got exposed like your bowels to tranny penis. Quote: "So in less than 24 hours, you've alleged as "100% fact" that Goad was cranked-up during his crime ... as fact that "The Bell Curve" was a source of information for the slavery article" Obviously I was embelishing, but once again- that- gets more of a response than when I actually start to question shit about the article. Which, sense you haven't noticed, I've been doing since reply 1. But I guess it's alright when you guys ignore shit. That's fine. I'm used to the hypocrisy that comes with Vice. We all are. Subject: WTF Date: Oct 04 2005 10:54:18 PM Author: it's me http://myspace-766.vo.llnwd.net/00217/66/70/217110766_l. /> jpg /> Subject: ignoring the questions again Date: Oct 04 2005 10:59:27 PM Author: steve caputi that's ok. now that you've been outed as liar ("one lie" told a hundred times is a hundred lies, but to clarify, it was three lies, a.k.a three hundred lies)--the first time you pretended you were black and the second time after admitting you were white, and now coming on here pretending you're black again. you keep going back to vice and goad as dictators of "cool" and what people should like, and the entire limp thrust of your "argument" is that you know what's cool rather than them. you might be onto something regarding vice, but i honestly don't see that in any of jg's writing. he seems much more concerned with being "right," and most of the stances he takes are considered highly UNcool, both by the 99% of the mainstream and 99% of the hipsters. we all understand your reluctance to back up your "goad was on crank during his crime" and "bell curve was a source" statements as tacit admission of further lies. Subject: Y.A.-Bitch Date: Oct 04 2005 10:51:51 PM Author: Daisy May "One lie. By one guy who doesn't wastes his time writing articles." No, you just waste your time spewing nonsense and lies. Since you're so fond of getting personal, exactly what is your contribution...to anything? You seem a wee bit sad to me... Subject: web-geeks Date: Oct 04 2005 10:48:19 PM Author: Vicious Fuck this Back & Forth shit, I'm gonna put on some DFA 1979, shoot-up some "Titanic" and slaughter my Mum. Now that's punkrock! Subject: In a second, massa. Date: Oct 04 2005 10:45:29 PM Author: Y.A.B Quote: "Every time you try to state something as fact, you get punked." Everytime Vice tries to state something as fact, you just get laughed at and shat on by those with enough poo-spidey sense see how completely full of shit you are. That's why you spend soooo much time trying to defame detractors and dismiss them as not being cool enough to get your old-man nerd-humor. "Get guys? We're punk, we're hip, we're selling your culture RIGHT BACK TO YOU. We don't NEED to believe in anything! HAHAHA...FUNNY JOKEZ" Quote: "Wrong again. You never question anything about this article or anything Goad actually writes." 1. How do these people's pasts "closely mirror" the topic of them being "heroes"? 2. Who exactly considers them heroes? 3. Who is "your" in the title of this article? The vice-readers? If so, is the point of the article to make us magically hate these people? Come again, ? Subject: he's lying again Date: Oct 04 2005 10:46:02 PM Author: steve caputi oh, so you're "black" again this week? no one cared about your race, only your atrocious anti-logic and your lies—and the "blacks don't argue on the internet" was actually an anti-white comment, you hater and distorter of all that's real and factual. the sentiment was, "blacks don't waste this much time acting foolish." it's there for all to see. what a masochist this foo' is! Subject: It's about that time agian. Date: Oct 04 2005 10:44:59 PM Author: YAB. Quote: "because you aren't getting your name out there like jim goad is:" I guess when you're a buncha white guys tapping into psuedo-punk sub-culture for big bucks, "getting your name out there" is all that's left in life. Good on you, man! And come now, stop it with the "you're jealous" stuff. If I wanted my name out there- I would've used my real name and not lied about my race. Obviously I'm not chasing the fifteen minutes of infamy your magazine advertises to an already wholly ignorant culture. (Good luck with that by the way- you're doing smashingly.) QUOTE: "If someone's past includes repeated lying about who they are... it's highly relevant" One lie. By one guy who doesn't wastes his time writing articles. And done for a purpose. I wondered if my comments would be percieved differently because of my race. And you provided that answer. Your concern isn't the truth or facts, no more than Goad's is. You're the world's shit-stirrers. You never stand for anything so no one can call bullshit when a violent drug addict starts making gay implications about who should be our heroes or what we should be angry about. You do articles like this to pretend that somehow you're still relevent to X-number of kids out there buying the next Bloc Party record. Subject: NOW! Date: Oct 04 2005 10:41:28 PM Author: Realist I SAID GANGSTA SHIT GODDAMMIT!!! Subject: Chucky & Fake Nigga Date: Oct 04 2005 10:37:02 PM Author: Realer than... Chuck & Fake Nig. Come on you two, play nice, no-one gives a fuck about what you guys are talking about anyway. Now let's get into some gangsta shit! Subject: fake nigga Date: Oct 04 2005 10:40:08 PM Author: steve caputi funny thing is, on that slavery thread, people treated him more respectfully when he said he was black than when he admitted he was just a white liar. and here he is acting as if people dissed him when he pretended he was black. wrong again, fake nigga! another "point" of his that bites him in his white ass. Subject: ..and again Date: Oct 04 2005 10:35:16 PM Author: Chucky You then go on to make an easily disproven statement such as this: "poorly written articles on slavery that use the Bell Curve as a source of information. " The Bell Curve doesn't mention slavery. Nothing in that article cites The Bell Curve. It's very, very easy to disprove the things you say. So in less than 24 hours, you've alleged as "100% fact" that Goad was cranked-up during his crime, then ignored a challenge to produce a shred of evidence for this. You state as fact that "The Bell Curve" was a source of information for the slavery article, when that book never mentions slavery. Watch, folks, as he ignores another challenge to back up his shit...so where does Goad's slavery article mention "The Bell Curve" and where does "The Bell Curve" mention slavery? Fake Nigga, please—have some dignity and at least don't say people never challenge the things you say. Everything you say is easily and repeatedly shot down. Subject: Fake Nigga Loses Again Date: Oct 04 2005 10:32:51 PM Author: Chucky In answer to your question as to whether Goad's past somehow disproves that Tim Leary and Lenny Bruce were snitches or Bob Marley was half-white or Susan Sontag took capitalist dollars in order to decry capitalism, it is indeed a simple answer: NO. You say this: "Your entire arguments against me are never attacks on what I'm questioning about the article" Wrong again. You never question anything about this article or anything Goad actually writes. Never. And every time it's pointed out that you've made an entirely erroneous statement, which is up in the dozens now, you just ignore it like a punk. On the slavery thread, your entire "argument" was a personal attack on Goad. You even admitted you couldn't challenge anything, and didn't care about challenging anything, about the article's facts as enumerated. It was all about your "feelings." Subject: Wot tha fuk? Date: Oct 04 2005 10:20:51 PM Author: Tha Realist Author: HAHAHAHAHAHA! "Hundred bucks says "Tha Realist" looks like this: http://myspace-766.vo.llnwd.net/00217/66/70/217110766_l. or this: http://myspace-333.vo.llnwd.net/00163/33/34/163534333_l. Hey, thats me and my bro! Subject: That damn music Date: Oct 04 2005 10:17:30 PM Author: One for yo mama That music is driving me crazy! Oh, and Vice is starting to sound like one of these self-obsessed boomers. Vice, my father's counter culture mag. Subject: Oh Shit Date: Oct 04 2005 10:14:43 PM Author: Tha Really Real Someone's been infected by that Realness. OK honey, don't be mad, momma still loves you! Subject: Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha Date: Oct 04 2005 10:12:53 PM Author: Tha Realist Ain't nuthin real about it looks like this. Aw fuckit, you fag! Subject: Nah. Date: Oct 04 2005 10:13:26 PM Author: YAB. Quote: "No one who thinks he's irrelevant would spend this much time trying to scream him down." So since Goad did all this research and spent all this time screaming down these "heroes"? He thinks they're heroes? Quote: "No one, except you said it was all or nothing." Never said that, cockbreath. I asked if it was at all relevant. It's a simple 'yes or no' statement. I mean, should we listen to a guy like Goad- who's is basically the Tommy Lee of the shitty-writers community? How do these people's pasts "closely mirror" the topic of them being "heroes"? Who exactly considers them heroes? Who is "your" in the title of this article? The vice-readers? If so, is the point of the article to make us magically hate these people? Quote: "Elements of goad's past that are relevant to this article would be anything where he postured himself as something he wasn't...like you do all the time." Your entire arguments against me are never attacks on what I'm questioning about the article, but instead on what assumptions were made about my race. I lied about being white because ignorant dickmongers like yourself have hang-ups about uppity darkies questioning the implications of poorly written articles on slavery that use the Bell Curve as a source of information. "YAB can't be black because blacks don't argue on the internet." Hahaha-Ok. Subject: Ain't Nuffin Real 'Bout It Date: Oct 04 2005 10:03:39 PM Author: HAHAHAHAHAHA! Hundred bucks says "Tha Realist" looks like this: http://myspace-766.vo.llnwd.net/00217/66/70/217110766_l. jpg or this: http://myspace-333.vo.llnwd.net/00163/33/34/163534333_l. jpg Subject: 2pacalypse Date: Oct 04 2005 09:51:44 PM Author: Tha Realist Subject: Tupac "The Rapist" Shakur Date: Oct 02 2005 11:17:36 PM Author: Chucky QUOTE- "Although Tupac might have been born too late to be a boomer, his posthumous deification is beyond ridiculous. Has everyone forgotten he was a convicted rapist? If the word "rapist" was tethered to the name "Tupac Shakur" one-tenth as often as the word "wifebeater" is smeared on the name "Jim Goad," we'd have a far better world." So what if Pac was a r.a.p.i.s.t, at least he didn't r.a.p.e me............................ ....... ....... ....... ....... .......Ooooooooh! Subject: That music Date: Oct 04 2005 09:37:53 PM Author: 12yr old with titties Everywhere I go on this site it's there, like my mom's creepy boyfriend. Subject: Steve Caputi Date: Oct 04 2005 09:20:43 PM Author: reggiN Steve Capooti needs some pooty! Subject: Jim Goad Date: Oct 04 2005 09:24:36 PM Author: Kenny H. I first saw ANSWER ME! sometime back in '92, and it was my gut feeling then that whoever put this magazine out was a stone-cold genius who'd be remembered long after he died. Even VICE admits their debt to ANSWER ME! Every move Jim Goad has made since, all the books and all the notoriety and the fact that they always go after the man because no one can come close to his writing, only confirms my gut feeling from '92. And the fact that he continues to write books only gives me cheer. No one who thinks he's irrelevant would spend this much time trying to scream him down. The ferocity with which people attack him is the kind that always greets groundbreakers. I wouldn't call him a hero, because he hates the idea, but I admire him more than just about any other person alive. Subject: Fuck all yall Date: Oct 04 2005 09:17:18 PM Author: Tha Realist *The Beatles, Zepplin, Joss Stone, Eminem...Oh shit, Whitey's singin' the same Blues that the coloreds already have and getting special credit for it. *Bob Marley was pushed to the front of the Wailers by record execs because he was the whitest out of the group, then he showed his true Whiteness by selling them out and going solo. *Guidos pretending to be Injuns. *Whiteys...still raping the world after all these years. Subject: - Date: Oct 04 2005 09:12:45 PM Author: + holy shit, this page really cool. Subject: wiggers have feelings, too Date: Oct 04 2005 09:08:17 PM Author: steve caputi y.a.b. (which originally stood for "yet another black" but now means "yelling and blundering") makes categorical statements ("dur-uh, i thought you said one's past had no relevance") that no one has made. his mind is as binary and all-or-nothing as his "i'm black/i'm white/i'm black" bojangles dance. listen closely, you deaf-to-logic "dunny": one's past may or may not be relevant. no one, except you ('cos you're simpleminded) said it was all or nothing. it depends on how closely one's past mirrors the current topic. and you've unwittingly entered your full-of-shit past into a discussion about full-of-shit icons. for example: "Dude, if your writing or fact-finding skills were actually worth a fuck- then that "past" shit would never come up." this statement wins the upside-down mongolian-idiot award for the entire thread. the reason that non-relevant (remember the spelling, ok?) elements of goad's past come up is precisely because no one has ever been able to argue with his facts, so they throw that shit up, hoping like-minded idiots won't be able to see what they're doing. if they could argue with the facts, they would. they're dying to find an error, but they can't. elements of goad's past that are relevant to this article would be anything where he postured himself as something he wasn't...like you do all the time. Subject: return of pretend nigga! Date: Oct 04 2005 08:48:29 PM Author: steve caputi "Are we really going to go through this whole: "He's black, wait, no he's not, wait, yes he is, no he isn't." thing? *again*? " of course not. everyone knows you're a self-loathing white. and a liar. and someone ill-equipped to argue anything factual. and a retarded attention whore made all the more retarded because you aren't getting your name out there like jim goad is, through your efforts as well as his own. these matters were settled a long time ago. Subject: YAB—100% Non-Factual Date: Oct 04 2005 08:39:18 PM Author: Dirty Sanchez If someone's past includes repeated lying about who they are, it's highly relevant to a discussion about an article where an author who never lies about himself or his actions (Goad wrote honestly about his DV and drug use long before you did, Nimrod) writes about cultural figures who've lied about their identity and actions. But it doesn't make sense to try and make sense to someone who tosses away sense like a baby throwing a rattle out of a crib. Every time you try to state something as fact, you get punked. Each time you step up to bat, you stick your head over home plate and get it swatted over the left-field fence. You've never had any point except to reveal an unhealthy obsession with JG and an infantile outrage that he will always get more attention than you. I suggest you get used to it for your own well-being. And since every word you type begs to be corrected, let's get it straight about that slavery thread: It wasn't: "He's black...He's not...He's black." It was: "I'm black...I'm not...I'm black." No one gave a shit about your race until you admitted you were lying about it. With everyone else, it was the same chant regardless of you pushing your fake/real/fake identity on everyone: "YAB is an idiot...he's an idiot...he's an idiot." Subject: Aw come on, guys... Date: Oct 04 2005 06:58:24 PM Author: YAB. ...really? Are we really going to go through this whole: "He's black, wait, no he's not, wait, yes he is, no he isn't." thing? *again*? I thought someone's "past" however questionable, debatable or even true (like wife beating and meth use) has no relevence to the facts and ideas they put forth? ...Huh? Subject: Still like him Date: Oct 04 2005 06:17:02 PM Author: Jimmy The whole point of having a hero in, in my opinion, is to try to emulate aspects about that person. So who ever you have as a hero is a personal subjective relationship. These people mentioned above are all just human beings not perfection incarnate. They may have done great things and shitty things. If people chose to make them their heroes, that's their perogative. Only a fool you claims to have monoply on the truth could tell you who your heroes are allowed to be. So if you think Jim Goad is God, more power to you. Just don't try to tell me Kerouac can't write. Bitch Subject: Bob Marley—Jamaica's Bruce Springsteen Date: Oct 04 2005 04:10:01 PM Author: Chucky I think "Half a Mick" is wrong, but let's set the parameters. Obviously, someone can speak "for" anyone they want, even without the knowledge or consent of their special-interest group. Plenty of "pasty-white" Americans feel they can speak "for" black America. Where it's more cut-and-dried is when they falsely speak "as" someone. On the Goad "Fun Slavery Facts" thread, there was a delusional cat who pretended he WAS black in order to share his XBox-style appreciation of American blacks' pain. And this is where Bob Marley failed, too. He wasn't African, and by the time he became a recording star, he wasn't impoverished. So he could speak "for" anyone he wanted if he felt sorry for them, but if he spoke "as" a 100% black impoverished Jamaican, rather than a half-white EX-impoverished Jamaican, he was a poseur. It's analogous to how Springsteen speaks not only "for" the working class, but "as" the working class. Subject: Marley—Half a Liar Date: Oct 04 2005 03:40:27 PM Author: Half a Mick, Half a Spic QUOTE: "This mistakingly leads us to the IMPLICIT conclusion that Marley can't speak for the impoverished blacks in Africa because his father was "relatively affluent" and "pasty-white." I think you're wrong there, Honcho. Don't speak for "us," OK? The worst after-effect of the "Me" generation induced by Boomerism is that people think their subjective experiences are somehow universal truth. I wasn't led to your conclusion, and I doubt that many others were. You're positing an ironclad conclusion that doesn't exist in the article. The only implication I see in the Marley section is that there's something half-false if Marley's shtick was that Africa, and only Africa, was his homeland. I really don't know much about BM either way (could never get past his music), but it was a fucking shock to me to learn he was half-white. He sure as fuck never played up that side of him, and I'll bet that many other readers were surprised to discover this fact. If getting back to Africa—and never, say Wales—was part of his act, then my call is that the article is right for implying that there was something at least half-phony about his repatriation tapdance. Half of Marley may be able to speak for impoverished Jamaicans (not Africans) but since the other half was Scottish or somesuch—and he never seemed to broadcast that fact—half of him was hiding his true self. Subject: Jim Supporters Date: Oct 04 2005 03:03:47 PM Author: Everything that's wrong with Jim It's funny that Jim's supporters point out that the ad hominem attack on Jim is a fallacy, i.e., just because Jim beat a woman doesn't mean that his writing or ideas are wrong. What's funny about that is Jim does exactly the same thing in the article. One example: "Though he sang of impoverishment and repatriation to Mama Africa, Bob Marley’s father was a relatively affluent pasty-white plantation overseer and Navy officer." This mistakingly leads us to the IMPLICIT conclusion that Marley can't speak for the impoverished blacks in Africa because his father was "relatively affluent" and "pasty-white." This is the same fallacy the Jim haters have been using, which Jim's supporters have correctly pointed out is false. Conclusion: Jim's conclusions aren't supported by his facts. Subject: john lennon Date: Oct 04 2005 01:30:04 PM Author: b John Lennon wasn't a boomer. He was born in 1940, _during_ the war. Not that I like his music very much. I saw an interview of him, he was a giant prick. Subject: facts Date: Oct 04 2005 11:17:01 AM Author: steve caputi "100% factual shit- like that time he got all spacked out and beat his girlfriend" And your source for this "100% fact" that he was "spacked out" during this incident is... ... ... ... ...? Subject: transparently white Date: Oct 04 2005 09:27:56 AM Author: steve caputi YAB, quit bitin' Goad's lines. Subject: serious question for "serious" Date: Oct 04 2005 09:26:46 AM Author: steve caputi ok, my pretend nigga...i'm pickin' up what you're layin' down...anything bad said about jg is "100 fact" and anything bad he writes about someone else is "hypothetical." nice way to cheat at poker and stack a deck there. don't think it passes notice. so, ehh, what was "hypothetical" about the article? and what's "factual" besides the fact that you're obviously too lazy to try and disprove anything? be specific... Subject: Ohyeah Date: Oct 04 2005 08:27:28 AM Author: Serious. ...So let me get this straight. Goad can conjure up all this personal, hypothetical bullshit about seminal cultural figures in order to trivialize their impact on society. But we can't conjure up all of Goad's personal, 100% factual shit- like that time he got all spacked out and beat his girlfriend- in order to trivialize the "impact" of his "startling revelations". Imagine this same issue- but in 40 years. Replace Tim Leary with Goad and fill in the fucking blanks. Who am I kidding? Goad will be far from seminal and Vice will end up but wet fart in a gaylord's asshole. Subject: Dude, for real. Date: Oct 04 2005 08:14:39 AM Author: Serious. Jim, why don't you own up to your agenda already? You're so fucking transparent I can see spermy shit and chunky bits of Gavin's jizz floating around where your soul used to be. It's funny too, because no matter how many of these articles you strain to poo out, you will still be percieved as a fat ditch-pig wife-beating tweaker. Dude, if your writing or fact-finding skills were actually worth a fuck- then that "past" shit would never come up. You're like the guy that's all: "Santa doesn't exist." At the Christmas Kegger. It's like: "We're all 24. No shit. So what?" Christmas isn't about Santa the person. Slavery isn't about the slaves as individuals (who they were). And those "heroes" you mentioned? NEVER CONSIDERED THEMSELVES HEROES. When people bring up Bobby's or Adolf's or Goad's past it has nothing to do with totalaltlrharlekaatarianism or any of that gay lofty grade 14 shit. It's the fact that Goad, Bobby and Adolf are mentally and psychologically underdeveloped wastes of dick snot. Goad, you could druge up facts from here to eternity and people will still know you as "that guy that failed at life". Subject: Hi. Date: Oct 04 2005 07:49:49 AM Author: The Real Mr. Goad Hi, I'm Jim Goad. I wear tight jeans and cowboy hats. I am here (endorsed by Vice) basically, to violate the shit out of your sub-culture. And when I'm not beating the crap out of girls, you can catch me not amounting to even 1/16th of the talent of the people I so gayly rail against. Nevermind the fact that I, and most of Vice are way past our sell-by dates. We still expect you to like what we like, when we say like it. Even though, you know, we're total fucking hacks. Subject: redhead sexy pistol Date: Oct 04 2005 01:27:28 AM Author: me i was here Subject: Whoa Date: Oct 03 2005 11:18:19 PM Author: sexy pistol care to list those reasons? Subject: Woah Date: Oct 03 2005 10:27:37 PM Author: Jon Hey there, everybody...just calm down. The Sex Pistols were irrelevant for plenty of other reasons, too. Subject: Bedsides Date: Oct 03 2005 08:58:07 PM Author: Captain Jackoff Captain Jack: "I really think he’s got a shot at someone bedside’s [sic] himself offering to publish his work." Jim Goad's "Redneck Manifesto" is published by Simon & Schuster, one of the world's largest publishers. It is still in print—I believe the paperback is in its ninth printing. So...your...point...was...? Subject: sid viscious Date: Oct 03 2005 07:51:31 PM Author: rick springer Sid probably didn't kill nancy. Check out Please Kill Me. Doesn't sound like he did it. Probably a drug dealer. There was money missing from the hotel room. Doiee Boyeee Subject: i agree with the jackoff Date: Oct 03 2005 07:09:24 PM Author: viva le honnêteté! if the writer's past had any bearing on the facts or arguments in what he was writing, then it would be relevant. if the writer's past showed a pattern of dishonesty and fact-mangling, then it would be relevant. from what i can tell here, neither of these conditions apply in the least. but when you keep tossing up his past without actually criticizing the logic or facts in his article, it shows you really have no valid criticism of it, and it shows that you, rather than the writer, are being dishonest. it's not as if j.g. has ever hidden from his past. he's written more about it than anyone else—in graphic, unpleasant detail. he never shirks from a discussion about it. what usually happens is that he presents such thorough, compelling evidence that his situation was far different from the domestic violence stereotype that he silences the critics who underestimated him. Subject: Anti-Goad Logic Date: Oct 03 2005 06:46:11 PM Author: Captain Jackoff James Brown, Bobby Brown, and Dr. Dre beat women, so their music not only sucks, it is dishonest. Not only that, they are forever disqualified from making critical comments about anyone else ever—not just regarding domestic violence, but about anything. Charles Bukowski beat women, so his writing sucks and he's a liar. William Burroughs shot his wife, so his writing sucks, too. Norman Mailer stabbed his wife, so his writing sucks, three. Sid Vicious killed his girlfriend, so the Sex Pistols are irrelevant. Subject: More about Hypocrisy Date: Oct 03 2005 06:26:06 PM Author: Captain Jackoff I believe that many of Goad's supporters were reacting to the fact that whenever he writes something, the Goady-haters throw up his past as if it automatically & magically refutes the facts of what he's writing. It's a dishonest, underhanded tactic, and I think it needs to be pointed out, especially because the dolts who keep accusing him of half-assed research and lies can produce NOTHING better to back up their statements than, "Oh, did you know he did time for DV seven years ago?" If Adolf Hitler told you it was 72 degrees today and sunny—and it was 72 degrees and sunny—would he be wrong because of the Jew thing? Because FBI chief J. Edgar Hoover kept pointing out that Martin Luther King was a womanizer, does that mean MLK was wrong about racial injustice? So if Jim Goad says Timothy Leary ratted on his friends, does that make it untrue merely because Goad hit a woman (back)? Explain your equation of domestic violence with dishonesty. Within the context of this article, Goad would only be a hypocrite under two conditions: 1) If he was guilty of the same acts of which he's accusing these idols—mainly, saying one thing and doing the other. 2) If he was, say, criticizing OJ Simpson for domestic violence. Subject: Understanding "Hypocrisy" Date: Oct 03 2005 06:09:12 PM Author: Captain Jackoff hy·poc·ri·sy n. The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness. Captain Jack: "Surely a man who so staunchly opposes and derides “An insanely rich warmonger” like JFK or any others on his hit list wouldn’t go beating a women, [sic] that would be plain ol’ hypocrisy wouldn’t it." No, it would be hypocritical if... 1) Goad was an insanely rich warmonger and criticized JFK for the same thing...or... 2) Goad wrote about the horrors of domestic abuse and then beat women. It was hypocritical of JFK to posture himself as an advocate of peace and a supporter of the poor when he was neither of these things. From the first issue of ANSWER Me! onward, Jim Goad has portrayed himself as a violent person. His words and actions, therefore, are in synch—they constitute the opposite of hypocrisy. Subject: Good artical Date: Oct 03 2005 05:59:08 PM Author: Capt. Jack Well, 1rst I don’t hate Jim, I find him funny(ish) and secondly having books in print has nothing to do with what I was saying, a monkey can publish a book. I was referring more to who put their money on the line and who approached who to have said publishing made, therefore what I meant, to be literal, (so you can understand it, ((Ill bet your American..))) I seriously doubt publishing houses are battering down the door and offering their money to print books of half funny, half researched, semi qualified, and self important hate writers. But I for one well keep reading Vice as long as its free. And what’s with everyone writing about wife beating?(really I dont know) Surely a man who so staunchly opposes and derides “An insanely rich warmonger” like JFK or any others on his hit list wouldn’t go beating a women, that would be plain ol’ hypocrisy wouldn’t it. Subject: jim haters Date: Oct 03 2005 10:12:42 AM Author: Dirty Sanchez "Why do people who support Jim worship him like he is even higher than the false idols he ridicules?" Do you understand that this was an assignment for a magazine? Do you understand what is meant by assignment? Anyway it was FUNNY (and factual), which brings me to your next point: "For one I notice how people turn Jim's attempts at humor as cold hard facts." Now, now I think we know that Jim succeeds in the humor department EVERY TIME. If people don't get that, perhaps they (like you) are the ones of questionable character...and intelligence. Oh, and what in the article wasn't factual? Wow, a writer who gets the facts straight and manages to be funny...some would call that talent. Subject: To "Jim Hater" Date: Oct 03 2005 10:17:13 AM Author: Good Article I think the "kill your idols...he's my hero" comment was meant to be ironic. Maybe not. But that was my original take on it. If not, I agree that it was stupid. And maybe you haven't read the whole thread, because it's been pointed out a couple times before, but the significant differences between Jim Goad and all the "idols" listed above are that he has never made a pretense of being a moralistic hero, he has never hidden or shirked from talking about anything he's ever done, he's always acted with utter contempt for people who blindly worship him, and most important, his words and deeds don't contradict one another as they do with most of the idols he writes about here. And "Captain Jack," according to his home page (jimgoad.net), there are at least two "other publishers" besides VICE who are in the process of publshing Goad books—one new book, one an expanded reprint of the classic ANSWER Me! That's in addition to the three or so books he already has in print. Subject: jim haters Date: Oct 03 2005 10:04:00 AM Author: Dirty Sanchez "If Jim has skeletons in his closet and a questionable character why does he try so fucking hard trying to make people look as retarded as he?" Everyone has skeletons in their closets and what is a "questionable character" anyway? What do you know about his character? How does he make people look retarded? By stating facts? Opinions? Funny, I thought that's what good writers do. Some of us are able to read his writing, laugh sometimes, learn sometimes, and then form opinions all by ourselves. Subject: Oh yeah Date: Oct 03 2005 04:28:23 AM Author: Another Jim hater "jim goad is my new hero. kill your idols" Let's start by killing Jim, idiot. People like you and how contradictory you can get makes me sick. Subject: A few question Date: Oct 03 2005 04:13:36 AM Author: Another Jim hater If Jim has skeletons in his closet and a questionable character why does he try so fucking hard trying to make people look as retarded as he? Why do people who support Jim worship him like he is even higher than the false idols he ridicules? For one I notice how people turn Jim's attempts at humor as cold hard facts. Why do people criticize the opinions about the opinions of Jim for him being critical about others? It's really a Catch 22 isn't it? Since Jim here bitches about these "idols" for their character and links that with their political beliefs, all the while all his fans put him on the same very papal throne his ego doesn't mind having. Subject: Dont knock Jim.... Date: Oct 03 2005 02:29:38 AM Author: Capt. Jack Come on guys, no need to get abusive, Jims giving it an honest go at least. Admittedly he sounds a bit like every 16 year old mommies brat know it all in the western world, but when he starts reading more than the liner notes, I really think he’s got a shot at someone bedside’s himself offering to publish his work. Subject: Tupac "The Rapist" Shakur Date: Oct 02 2005 11:17:36 PM Author: Chucky Although Tupac might have been born too late to be a boomer, his posthumous deification is beyond ridiculous. Has everyone forgotten he was a convicted rapist? If the word "rapist" was tethered to the name "Tupac Shakur" one-tenth as often as the word "wifebeater" is smeared on the name "Jim Goad," we'd have a far better world. But you self-hating cracker pussies are afraid to say anything bad about any black ever, lest you be called a racist. Go, Goad! Subject: Others needed to be included.... Date: Oct 02 2005 10:01:32 PM Author: Duke Let's see.... Hunter S.Thompson. If you list Kerouac,you must list Ginsberg and Burroughs.Both totally selfish,insincere,just repulsive assholes,no redeeming qualities to their character at all,or their so-called paranoid,wrongheaded "writings". Huey Newton - Read David Horowitz's accounts in his books "Destructive Generation",and "Radical Son" George Jackson - See Huey Newton Malcolm X Martin Luther King George Harrison Marlon Brando Tupac Shakur- And everyone who's been trying to make PoopHack ShitCur,the selfish,psychobabbling,ignorant thug into some sort of "prophet"(more like pro-FIT) and visionary,and great mind,like some sort of a rap thug Bill Buckley,also deserves to be put out of their misery. Andy Warhol - Got rich and successful despite never producing anything original,just by exploiting things and people that already existed.Obnoxious and totally insufferable. Subject: fags Date: Oct 02 2005 07:59:32 PM Author: ken jim goad is my new hero. kill your idols Subject: what's up kids? Date: Oct 02 2005 09:23:15 AM Author: One Beatle how is life today? party haard? Subject: where am i (helly or heaven) ? Date: Oct 01 2005 01:35:13 PM Author: jfk just want say hi to everyone that i am fine here, miss me ? Subject: to LTHML Date: Oct 01 2005 11:11:00 AM Author: reading 101 Your original comment: "And all the Bob Marley haters/lovers get your facts right 1st-The Great Bob was Christian!" This implies the facts in the article weren't right. They were. His belief in Rastafarianism is what killed him. Whether or not he later converted to Christianity has no bearing on what the article states. Subject: Facts are straight- You Prick Date: Oct 01 2005 10:52:36 AM Author: LHTML Seven months before he died Bob Marley converted to christianity- So that makes him a Christian then you phukkin plum Subject: goad (again) Date: Oct 01 2005 10:26:31 AM Author: Reason "Jim is a lie that you all believe. He'd trade places with tara reid if it would give him the attention his daddy and mommy failed to give." and that has what to do with the article? Subject: jim goad Date: Oct 01 2005 09:21:16 AM Author: tim goad Jim is a lie that you all believe. He'd trade places with tara reid if it would give him the attention his daddy and mommy failed to give. Subject: missing the point Date: Sep 30 2005 10:24:02 PM Author: Bettie Scoop "Most of these people have been dead for longer than most Vice readers have been alive (JFK? Lenny Bruce?? Kerouac???) All your heroes "are dying"?? That's just sloppy." I believe the title is directed at the Boomers themselves. There's kind of a theme going on in the magazine...ya follow? Subject: As dated as the Boomers themselves Date: Sep 30 2005 09:50:36 PM Author: idf0jweij Most of these people have been dead for longer than most Vice readers have been alive (JFK? Lenny Bruce?? Kerouac???) All your heroes "are dying"?? That's just sloppy. Wake up kids, because you're dying too - and most of you will die without ever having tried to do anything exceptional with your lives. That said, Bruce, Sontag, Leary and Rubin can all certainly rot in hell. Good riddance to them. Subject: Making it Personal Date: Sep 30 2005 08:00:56 PM Author: Aldo Nova This is from "THE VICE GUIDE TO KILLING YOUR PARENTS," from the same issue: "THEY MAKE IT PERSONAL "Have you ever argued with one of these fucking guys? They never read or do any research of their own (fiction is their bag when it comes to books) so when you argue with them all they can say about your research is, “I’ve never heard that. Where do you get your data from?” ... "If they can’t get you with their dance-around-the-argument game, they’ll go after you personally. “Attack the person” is their argument trademark." Yep. Yep. Uhhh....yep. Subject: Who I think should be on the list Date: Sep 30 2005 07:59:25 PM Author: Jonesy Jesus. Though, I don't know if he qualifies. He only saw a significant re-birth during the boomer years. Subject: this article Date: Sep 30 2005 05:37:18 PM Author: Vile Will hey, fuck Keroauc! We share the same birthday, and I hate it. Jerry Garcia is dead, yyyyeeeeesssss!!! Jim Goad and Vice magazine rule!! Subject: Dead Heroes Date: Sep 30 2005 02:31:56 PM Author: Gordy Rinsler Two people need to be added to this list. One of them is Kurt Cobain. The Voice of a Generation. Tortured artist. Antidote to Hair Metal. Burp. Kurt Cobain killed himself because he woke up one day and looked in the mirror and saw Sting's face staring back at him. And no amount of existential philosphising can hide the fact that no one wanted to be a rock star more than Kurt Cobain. He ate a shotgun because he had nothing else to complain about. He came from a broken home. As if that explains everything. If coming from a broken home and having some zits meant anything my cousin would've cut a live double album already. Fart. And the other person is my father. Everyone is always telling me how cool he was. Because he dated young girls and wore lots of cashmere. He was so generous. Hiring all those black men to be his bodyguards and drive him around Los Angeles. What no one knows about my father is that he liked to beat prostitutes until they had to be taken to the hospital. They also don't know that he liked to have the aformentioned black men open his ass with a speculum and spit into the gape. Then he had the nerve to tell me that my wife needed to lose weight. Now it's true that I'm married to a pig, but at least she's my pig. Plus my father just loved all of those icons that Jim Goad tore apart. Puke. Subject: goad—idiot savant par excellance Date: Sep 30 2005 02:30:04 PM Author: steve caputi he's a savvy weasel, that's for sure. he convinces everyone he's an idiot while he's pulling their magic carpet right out from under them. Subject: sam champion Date: Sep 30 2005 01:39:36 PM Author: pudfluff my dad fucking hates Che. Subject: Sad... Date: Sep 30 2005 11:23:36 AM Author: jason gilmour Jim Goad couldn't have picked a better bunch of people who's deaths should be celebrated. I am often amazed by the so-called academics and other "smart" people who blindly worship these idiots. I think the list should have included comrade Che Guevara. He was a dick too. Subject: iron eyes Date: Sep 30 2005 09:28:04 AM Author: fun guy in baton rouge While I don't agree with every word Goad says in this article, I do greatly agree with the point of the article. If only his words would actually cause your actual heads to explode instead of just your egos. Really the only thing that doesn't ring true to me in this article is the Iron Eyes bashing. I personally think its pretty cool to decieve a massive amount of stupid assholes and make money while doing it. Other than that . . . keep it up Jim! Subject: Leary—Snitch Date: Sep 30 2005 07:13:31 AM Author: Frankie Teardrop Turn On, Tune In, Rat Out: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/leary/leary.html That contains links to FBI transcripts. Again, a search of "Timothy Leary" and "snitch" will yield dozens and dozens of sources. Subject: Kerouac the Gay Basher Date: Sep 30 2005 07:08:57 AM Author: Frankie Teardrop God...the idiot who calles himself "crappy" not only likes the Beatles, but he challenges Jim Goad's honesty—always a mistake. OK, foo', chew on this: http://gaytoday.badpuppy.com/garchive/interview/060401in .htm "David Carter: Kerouac suffered from deep internalized homophobia. When he was at Columbia, he and his fellow football jocks would go out on gay bashing sprees. Yet, Kerouac slept with a number of men, including Allen. " From a "Publishers Weekly" review of "Subterranean Kerouac" on amazon.com: "Jack Kerouac (1922-1969), the Beat novelist...concealed his bisexual identity through gay bashing, both verbal and physical." Beyond that, you can search the terms "Kerouac" and "homophobia" or anything similar to find hundreds of sources that corroborate this article. Happy, crappy? Subject: Critics Date: Sep 30 2005 05:33:50 AM Author: Danniel The only sad thing about Jim Goad is that so many people get bogged down in his mythos and view him and his writing as a target... Drama and controversy. 'That is Jim Goad.' Unfortunately for a public in love with drama and controversy, Goad is one of the most effective writers on the planet. Hopefully one day he can look past his image and write something truely mindblowing again. Subject: dada Date: Sep 30 2005 12:54:39 AM Author: whiteaustralianconvicttrashpride "Chucky-Calling a Jamaican a "fag" will get you shot many times over." You should come to an Australia vs West Indies cricket match.We call them fags not stop.We chant it,paint it on our t-shirts,wave 'Jamaicans are all fags' flags,imprint the Jamaican flag on a 'pride' rainbow backdrop.Then when they try and pick up white chicks to prove they're not fags,we run them out of town with threats of lynchings. Good times. Subject: i'm looking at you 'Hate Jim Choad' Date: Sep 30 2005 12:52:01 AM Author: whiteaustralianconvicttrashpride Fucking hell,all white people should kill themselves except for Jim Goad,his fans and me.I'm totally serious.You're such a bunch of castrated dumbed-down white pussies scared of being 'racist' and 'offending minorities' that you have nothing to give the world but subserviance to your perceived non-white masters,who hate your pasty white arses as much as i do anyway. Racism is normal you idiots.Not in-your-face useless insults,but ethnic tribalism....its healthy.Everyone else does it,but you think if you're anti-racist enough that Asian chick from class might be persuaded to give you a blow job.She won't.My robust vanilla schlong has more chance of getting hello kitty lipstick on it than yours. There's nothing morally or intellectually superior about where you're coming from.Pointing out 'racism' is so fucking white.No wonder i can't stand hanging around my own people.And fuck Bob Marley,most over rated black 'artist' since Jimi Hendrix.If either of them were white/asian/eskimo,they would've been mocked to the shithouse for their lack of talent. Subject: what s th e bi g i d e a Date: Sep 30 2005 12:20:36 AM Author: crappy can i see some sources, mr. goad? or are your allegations of kerouac's gay bashing and leary's treachery just as subjective as your dissmissal of the beatles? the fucking BEATLES seriously, seriously, ok, what bands DO you like then, jim goad? black label society? fuggin steve vai? you suck i hate you jim goad more like jism choad!!!!!!!! Subject: tiny tim Date: Sep 29 2005 10:05:49 PM Author: ruby Tim, you're still a douche bag with a tiny little cock. I was just pointing out that retards in glass houses shouldn't throw salt. I am fun-- you should see my happy pink CHEAKS-- always laughing. More importantly, I'm having fun-- it just happens to be at your expense. At least you admit that your Hitler joke was stupid. Subject: ruby Date: Sep 29 2005 10:00:16 PM Author: tiny tim (but bigger'n you) ruby, all i's sayin' is is that you ain't no fun. you sound all serious and shit. like a slug, you're afraid of a grain of salt. pointing out the stupid hitler joke and correcting my spelling makes you twice the uptight retard. why are you posting shit under a jim goad article (well, except for the fact that he enjoys correcting peoples' spelling)? you're fucking annoying. Subject: Heroes and Pedestals Date: Sep 29 2005 09:52:21 PM Author: Sgt. Shitkiss What's hilarious is that we've finally arrived at something meaningful regarding this article. "DUH, you tore my hero down? FUCK YOU! I'M-A TEAR YOU DOWN! I will crush you into the dirt! I will drag you lower than you dragged my heroes, and then everything will be OK again!" Dimwits don't even take a moment to consider that the writer is commenting on the business of hero-making and how blindly the believers react when their sense of what's sacred is questioned. Truth is, he did a good job of showing how just about everyone in the article has been worshiped undeservedly and how their words and actions completely undermined their public images. And because of this, he gets maligned undeservedly. That's a little bit heroic. Say what you want about Jim Goad—in my more lucid moments, I've said some bad things about him, too—but his words and actions never contradict one another. He's possibly the most honest writer alive. Subject: knock em all down Date: Sep 29 2005 09:23:25 PM Author: Little Injun "Quit wasting your time knocking these and everyone else off pedistals. Iconoclasts are also put on pedistals and are also knocked off those pedistals." The correct spelling is "pedestal." Oh, and history-- iconoclasts and all-- is cyclical. Based on your logic, people are behaving as they always have and always will. Subject: tiny tim Date: Sep 29 2005 09:20:10 PM Author: Ruby Tim: "Tiny Tim: "ruby, you're either jim goad, blowing jim goad, or just plain retarded." Ruby: I'm not a retard, Tim, but I'm certain that you are, in fact, tiny...and kind of a douche bag, as in anyone who continues to throw around less-than-clever Hitler references in ANY discussion that is not about, well, Hitler. I'm not painting butterflies on Goad's cheeks, nor am I blowing him, nor am I Jim Goad. I'm merely pointing out that I'm sick of reading the inane comments of idiots who point out little other than what they think is the substance that creates the myth that you, Little One, are obviously so fond of. I should mention that it is pathetic to want something to exist just so you can spend your time tearing it down. By the way, I don't think you're qualified to speak for anyone...ever...so why don't you stop telling everyone what they want and speak for your lame-ass self. Oh, and as you can see here in the correct spelling, "cheeks" doesn't have an "a." Subject: No one should be put on pedistals Date: Sep 29 2005 08:48:18 PM Author: Mike Kitts Quit wasting your time knocking these and everyone else off pedistals. Iconoclasts are also put on pedistals and are also knocked off those pedistals. Every one who ever became famous, for one reason or another, was put upon pedistals tobe exhalted among the rest of us lowlifes. When those people fail to live up to the expectations that are laid upon them, they become victims of you iconoclasts, blasting away at nothing. Quit wasting your time. Subject: Facts are Straight—You're Gay Date: Sep 29 2005 07:49:33 PM Author: Jah No Fight Cancer The article that you linked to says Bob Marley converted to Christianity seven months before he died. He had cancer for four years before he died, and it was his STUPID AND PRIMITIVE belief in Jah-diddly-Jahbone which killed him. http://www.hotshotdigital.com/OldRock/BobMarley.html "The cancer that killed Bob Marley started in his right big toe. Doctors advised him to have the toe amputated, but he refused, saying "Rasta no abide amputation. I and I don't allow a mon ta be dismantled." The cancer proceeded to spread to the rest of his body and he was dead within four years." Subject: Overhyped Article Date: Sep 29 2005 07:41:32 PM Author: LHTML "Chucky-Calling a Jamaican a "fag" will get you shot many times over." LMAO, it's funny 'cos it's so true And all the Bob Marley haters/lovers get your facts right 1st- The Great Bob was Christian! http://www.lionofzion.com/faq/78da334a040000c70094/Bob+M arley.html Subject: Boomer Tumors Date: Sep 29 2005 05:31:12 PM Author: Anti-Semitic Steve Excellent article. I love to see the light of truth shined on cherished myths. I'd add Robert Zimmerman (AKA Bob Dylan) to this list. I went to an outdoor concert years ago and he was there. I wad wasted and jumped up on the stage. I was either dancing awkwardly or having convulsive seizures from the MD 20-20, in my state I guess it doesn't really matter which. Anyway, someone hit me in the back of the head with a microphone and I fell off the stage. I was laying there dazed looking up at the band and Bob, in a singsongy voice, crassly croons, "How does it feel?" Not very goddamned good, I can tell you that. Subject: Goad Date: Sep 29 2005 05:24:40 PM Author: Haterade This dude's fuckin awesome, great article as always. Subject: The Beatles Can't Sing Date: Sep 29 2005 05:19:12 PM Author: Ringo Shtarke No, they can't sing. Not like the Everly Brothers or Little Richard, whose vocal styles they shamelessly "borrowed." Not like George Jones or Jackie Wilson or Frank Sinatra or Wanda Jackson or Mahalia Jackson or a million other C&W, soul, and gospel singers. Not even like Clay Aiken. Which one of them had a good voice? Paul? John? George? Ringo? Are you kidding? Subject: dad Date: Sep 29 2005 05:06:22 PM Author: picky my dad said the same things about these people many years ago. Plus he had a paper route and wore dress shoes and running pants...you can't get any better. Subject: What's the Point? Date: Sep 29 2005 05:12:32 PM Author: Chucky You can look all over the mass media, flipping through dozens of glossy magazines and hundreds of cable channels, and the most intelligent spectacle you'll see is Shaq on "Cribs" giving a shout-out to the sneakers in his shoe closet. And yet I doubt all the critics hiding behind screen names ever cry FOUL about it. Along comes VICE, which actually puts a new spin on things and questions your stupid ideas of what's right, wrong and sacred, and all that you postliterate crybabies can do is say, "Waa! This hurts my feelings! This has no value! Why does this exist?" Why doesn't VICE "take a stand"? Maybe because they feel that's for cloddish ideologues and humorless fanatics. Every time Goad writes something, it seems like a billion comments follow. That ALONE justifies his existence as a writer. He stirs 'em up like almost no one else alive today. Besides that, the man has a way with words. I don't always agree with him, but you Goad-haters give him as much power as anyone else. More, probably. Subject: what Date: Sep 29 2005 04:03:40 PM Author: prizzle Shit, what DOES Vice stand for? Is it all just hate-filled opinions? Does this guy Goad have anything valid to say.. or is he always going for "shock-value'? Subject: the comments go in the wrong order Date: Sep 29 2005 03:40:27 PM Author: p2 hey, how do you guys all know what someone's gonna say? oh, duh.. Subject: The Honorably Over-Pious HJC Date: Sep 29 2005 03:42:01 PM Author: Flavor-Flav would be out of a job, too Beware self-righteous fools who say they have some monopoly on wisdom which grants them the ability to "educate" the "ignorant" and the right to wish or inflict harm on others because the others have violated something they call "sacred" which needs to be "defended." Throughout history, those are the dangerous ones. Without fail, those are the ones you need to watch, not the professional A-holes like Goad. HJC, it's already been proven that you were lying about the "attacks minorities" thing. It's been proven that you were lying about the slavery article being "filled with error." Have some dignity, mon, and either shut up or admit when you're wrong. Subject: No Jobs for Wifebeaters Date: Sep 29 2005 03:28:52 PM Author: Free James Brown! Question for HJC: James Brown pled guilty to domestic violence only a year ago (James Goad's crime was in 1998). Dr. Dre once assaulted a female rapper who hosted a TV show called "Pump it Up." He threw her down some stairs and dragged her into a bathroom. Please. There are dozens more examples I could give. Bobby Brown, anyone? So are you going to be consistent and say these guys shouldn't have jobs, or are you being selective in who you condemn? You should only claim the ability to "headucate" people after you take yo head out yo ass. Subject: Blah Date: Sep 29 2005 03:14:14 PM Author: Blah JFK, fine - but all the praise Jackie O gets is the biggest joke. She was a whore. Subject: ruby Date: Sep 29 2005 02:56:41 PM Author: tiny tim ruby, you're either jim goad, blowing jim goad, or just plain retarded. i'm sure jim goad has a sensitive side. hitler was a vegetarian. but who cares who the "real" jim goad is? people read his shit for the asshole things he says. they want a big mouth to stand behind because they themselves are weak and lame. you're creeping us out by painting butterflies on his cheaks and telling us that we pay too much attention to the myth and not enough to the man. who cares about the guy who has to go grocery shopping and stand in line at the dmv like the rest of us? we want the myth. Subject: But What Does He Offer the World? Date: Sep 29 2005 02:52:37 PM Author: Really, What Does He Offer the World? "What does Jim Goad offer the world—" —STOP RIGHT THERE! What do any of the above 12 people mentioned in this article offer the world? Nothing, besides the fact that some people enjoyed what they said or did, and they got people to consider ideas in new ways. They had zero effect on human nature and an ultimately negligible effect on the course of history. It's the same thing with Jim Goad. Some people enjoy what he does and it gets some people to thinking about things differently. Obviously, enough editors and readers think he has enough skills for him to make a living at it, which is probably more than most of the would be "writers" who get on here and keep whining, "Why do you give him a job...?" can claim. (And guys, it's embarrasingly obvious to everyone but yourselves that you're really asking, "Why do you give him a job...instead of ME?!?" The idea of "redeeming social value" has always been used by totalitarians, anyway. Subject: I was wrong Date: Sep 29 2005 02:35:18 PM Author: Ruby "Ruby, I think you might have misinterpreted me. The fact that JG went to prizz after his initial Leary puff piece means that time and experience might have made him less tolerant of snitches, that's all." Ahhhh...I gotcha... Subject: poor, poor jim goad's feelings *sob* Date: Sep 29 2005 02:30:09 PM Author: Ruby nobody is treating Jim like he's fragile...just sick of hearing the same old thing every time the guy writes something. But considering people think that he spends his spare time beating women, attending nazi meetings, and squashing kittens, I think it's fair to say he's misunderstood. Subject: poor, poor jim goad's feelings *sob* Date: Sep 29 2005 02:28:44 PM Author: tiny tim why are there people here defending jim goad like he's some misunderstood, fragile little egg who has more to offer the world than a little shock value? bet he respects fuckers who rip into him way more than you knights in shining armor who come valiantly to his rescue. he sucks and you're all pussies. Subject: what? Date: Sep 29 2005 02:10:18 PM Author: dude The beatles can't sing? What the hell do you listen to? Fucking opera? Subject: Real Justice... Date: Sep 29 2005 02:10:03 PM Author: Chucky ...is that whenever the keyboard warrior who calls himself "jon wayne" on here dies, no one will care enough to write anything about him. BTW, son, you seem to get off on the idea of bloody anal r*pe. Wanna talk about it? Subject: Fucked by "Fuck Bob Marley" Date: Sep 29 2005 02:01:41 PM Author: Jah No Fight Cancer "I even thought the FBob marley site was funny compared to the faux-shocking negativity spit by Jim Choad" Choad! Oh, that's RICH! You a funny guy! The other kids at your grade school must think you're hilarious! Hey, Dumbass... That site is from a Portland magazine Goad used to edit. You're probably so wacked out on ganja that you think "Juakeem Bandersnatch" is a real writer's name. Subject: justice Date: Sep 29 2005 01:52:20 PM Author: jon wayne at least there's enough shit for some asshole writer to rip jim goad, future dead gen x "hero", a wet, bloody new one. Subject: WTF Date: Sep 29 2005 01:44:29 PM Author: HJC No skin off my back, I'm not getting too excited, I'm a published writer and editor(Lana) and a real born and bred Jamaican from Trelawny living in Los Angeles(vanilla Dread and kenny H) and no I don't approve of homophobia or violence (Chucky-I didn't say I'd shoot you, just telling you to watch what you say). I even thought the FBob marley site was funny compared to the faux-shocking negativity spit by Jim Choad. I do have a lot of time on my hands is all and believe in headucating the ignorant, which considering all the shit I keep correcting you on is a growing population. But it's cool, hate Bob, love Jim, whatever floats your shit, just my opinions that wife-beaters don't deserve jobs and Jim has little talent to actually produce something meaningful. And yes, some things I hold sacred and have the right to defend them. And Vice, I love it, but what a bunch of pussies, "Vice isn’t American or Canadian or British or Black or White or Right or Left," so they'll just spew shit all day with that justification and see what sticks...why are they so afraid to stand for anything? Subject: Well, it Sort of Makes Sense Date: Sep 29 2005 01:32:42 PM Author: Emerald Wednesday Ruby, I think you might have misinterpreted me. The fact that JG went to prizz after his initial Leary puff piece means that time and experience might have made him less tolerant of snitches, that's all. Subject: Makes sense Date: Sep 29 2005 11:03:48 AM Author: Ruby Tuesday Makes [no] sense says: "When did news of Leary's snitchification come out? Probably some time after Answer Me, just like Goad's fun prison experience." Ruby Tuesday says: Give the man a prize! I believe he has touched upon the last oh-so-common theme whenever Jim Goad or his writing are discussed: PRISON. Yes, I believe wife beating and racism have already been covered. There are certainly are more revered men who have committed equivalent or greater crimes...some of them have won a Grammy or two. Grow the fuck up. Subject: Your Reggae is Too Strong, Grasshopper Date: Sep 29 2005 10:56:58 AM Author: The Honorable Vanilla Dread, O.M. That fake rasta guy who uses fake reggae slang—probably in somewhere like Grand Rapids, MI, no less—asked whose reggae was better than Bob Marley's. I submit for the jury's consideration: Jimmy Cliff (better songs, more charismatic performer) King Tubby Desmond Dekker The Skatalites Delroy Wilson etc., etc. ... Even "Pass the Dutchie" by Musical Youth was a better tune than agonizing wormshit such as "No Woman, No Cry." But these are opinions. Fake Rasta Marley Fan Guy needs to comprehend the difference between opinions and fact. Subject: Changing Tune on Tim Leary Date: Sep 29 2005 09:27:09 AM Author: Makes Sense When did news of Leary's snitchification come out? Probably some time after Answer Me, just like Goad's fun prison experience. Subject: fools indeed Date: Sep 29 2005 09:22:31 AM Author: bubby how can someone whine about attention-seekers and then give them more attention without enduring at least a moment of introspection leading to justifiable suicide? Subject: fools like sir braggs Date: Sep 29 2005 09:08:11 AM Author: Lana Do any of you understand the concept of getting an assignment for a magazine? See kids, there are people who run the magazine and they decide the theme of the issue and what will basically be the contents of each article. Sometimes a guy doesn't get to choose what/who he writes about. Can we move on? Subject: Sontag (née Rosenblatt) Date: Sep 29 2005 07:30:06 AM Author: The J Man Are Jews considered White Americans? Subject: dewwwwwwjuh! Date: Sep 29 2005 07:40:38 AM Author: poly dent hey, jim goad completely kissed timothy leary's ass when he interviewed him for answer me. wha' happon? Subject: oh man. Date: Sep 29 2005 06:02:58 AM Author: sir braggs Oh man, Goad is sooo punk rock...I can't believe he just ripped on Lenny Bruce and Kerouac! Shit, this dude is hardcore. But for real, this guy begs for attention so hard it bleeds out of his ass in the form of "The Redneck Manifesto". Subject: All Jamaicans are Fags Date: Sep 29 2005 03:06:38 AM Author: Karl Svoboda Nice article...made me chuckle. Goad goads once again. I wish he'd targeted Huey Newton and MLK, but they, perhaps, are too easily impugned. Give 'em hell, Jimmy! Subject: weak Date: Sep 29 2005 02:51:50 AM Author: rag tar a rag full of clot Subject: who are those people Date: Sep 29 2005 02:30:53 AM Author: dood look at all the heads Subject: Um, I guess ... Date: Sep 29 2005 12:07:30 AM Author: Bookhouse I like Jim Goad's stuff a lot of the time, but this was just not his best. I mean, attacking Jerry Garcia isn't exactly radical these days. And who the fuck gives two fucks about Jerry Rubin? Even fucking hippies don't care about him anymore. Is there a single famous person about who you could write one paragraph of shit? Penn and Teller recently took the piss out of the Dali Lama and Gandhi, and they did it with some style. I do like Goad, but all this article proves is that he doesn't like liberals or hippies. Which I knew. Subject: Jim Goad Date: Sep 28 2005 11:48:58 PM Author: S.F. McDonough I fail to see how Jim Goad comes off like a racist in any of his writing, but since "Hate Jim Choad" thinks so, I'll have to once more evaluate Jim's position on race. HJC seems like a savant worthy of prestige, and not at all like a loud mouthed child. Now wifebeating? I'll give you that. I met Jim Goad once. We got to talking on a street corner in Philly. When my wife walked up to join us, Jim savagely beat her about the face and shoulders with his hammer like fists. He just snapped, like a feral, feral um... creature like, mean and nasty thing. Upon beating my poor, little wife into unconsciousness, he promptly climbed a near by building and began throwing huge chunks of cement off the roof at any woman he saw. Helicopters were deployed to bring this monster down off the roof, but Jim swatted them out of the air like fruit flys. So, yeah, you got him there on that issue. But seriously, you can't fault a guy for beating his wife. We ALL do it. My wife knows that when I take off my belt, my pants fall down. But after that happens, she also know's I'm going to tan her hide with that belt. Shit, your wife is your property. I don't come into your house and bitch at you if you're not gentle enough with your blender, do I? If a man want's to break seven of his wives fingers for spilling his coffee, that should be seen as an entirely private family matter, not as if some CRIME had been committed. Subject: The Jim Goad subject Date: Sep 28 2005 10:15:58 PM Author: CrackBoy You guys are queers Jim Goad writtes stupid offensive shit all the time, its his job he gets paid for shitting on people and having dodo birds giving a flying fuck about it. I will give him this its the most entertaining article he has written in a long time. I mean come that Bob Marley shit was funny what a fucking quack. "Yo man i dont belive in life saving procedures, weed will heal me its from the earth mon" P.S Kenny H is right, but just so ican sleep well tonight i am going to say hes a retard. Subject: where am i? Date: Sep 28 2005 10:06:09 PM Author: jfk this page get more exciting. Subject: The Politics of Ecstasy Date: Sep 28 2005 09:51:03 PM Author: Suze The authority Leary claims is that of revelation. He has repeatedly made the heroic trip inward to the everlasting world, to the shut palaces of the mind. He has ridden his acid funicular up Everest and gone to hell in a handcart, to the vast inward and abyss which is bounded only by the limits of human desire and human revulsion. And he has returned with messages. -- The Toronto Daily Star And the message is: Rat on your friends! Subject: Goad is a Rock Star Date: Sep 28 2005 09:46:35 PM Author: Kenny H. This wannabe rasta guy is TOO TOO MUCH. Goad plays you like a cheap fiddle. "Goad attacks minorities." PROOF? "Uh, he wrote an article that proves slavery wasn't just a white-on-black thing, and he went online in a quarter-million word thread, took on all comers, and proved that his article was airtight and factual." SO THAT'S HOW HE "ATTACKS MINORITIES?" "Duh, yeah, I just talk out of my ass, I guess. Instead of making retarded, inflammatory, unsubstantiated comments about my mental superiors, I should really go back to my room and listen to the Legend album and shoot jizz all over my black-velvet Marley poster." Subject: Leary Date: Sep 28 2005 09:24:39 PM Author: Suze My point is that unless somebody has seen Leary's full FBI transcript, chances are pretty good that he IS a rat. I don't believe for one moment that he people didn't suffer because of his testimony. To be fair, the FBI does have a way of scaring the shit out of people, but a rat is a rat. Subject: Sorry...I Forgot the Rules Date: Sep 28 2005 09:20:38 PM Author: Chucky "Chucky-Calling a Jamaican a "fag" will get you shot many times over. " Sorry...I forgot that racism is bad and homophobia is OK. Subject: Defending a Rat Date: Sep 28 2005 08:59:59 PM Author: Le Duc de Fromage All the article says is that Timothy Leary ratted on his friends to receive a reduced sentence—which is utterly true and not a distortion. The fact that none of his ratting resulted in a conviction is not damning evidence that he "did it in such a way" that no one would get hurt. He could have blabbed later in life that this was his intention, but rats are notorious liars. Talk about distorting things! Leary even ratted on his lawyers and and an ex-wife. You have no point. Subject: to docshwop Date: Sep 28 2005 08:55:17 PM Author: Suze Have you ever seen the transcripts of Timothy Leary's testimony? Subject: It's called research, bitch. Date: Sep 28 2005 08:30:53 PM Author: docschwop I've been reading this month's issue of vice and have been amazed at the articles in it. They are, for the most part, well researched, and point to serious problems in our society that have come directly from the idealism of Baby Boomers. This article however is fucking embarrassing. When I first looked at it, I was like, "Wow! He's really gonna stick it to 'em." But as I read, I noticed that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. You could've torn each one of these people a new one with accurate information. But no, you choose to just make things up about them, or deliberately distort the truth. For instance, although Timothy Leary did get a greatly reduced sentence for ratting on his accomplices, he did it in such a way that nothing that he said could be used against his accomplices. Timothy Leary did a great job of sticking it to the man. You would've been better served to point out that he was a promoter of the willful ignorance that plagues our nation today. It's called research. Try doing some. Subject: Fuck Bob Marley Date: Sep 28 2005 07:49:16 PM Author: Jah No Fight Cancer http://www.xmag.com/archives/9-08-feb02/bob.html Subject: What's the big deal with this guy? Date: Sep 28 2005 06:47:41 PM Author: neurotrash I fail to understand why everybody is so entranced/enraged by this guy. All of his writing is just Bukowski on a bad day- unmitigated anger towards some obviously dumb person or group peppered with references to his fighting/sexual exploits. Take his article on SHARPs, a gang of meatheads whose whole raison d'etre is how not racist they are. Yes, they are retarded. Everyone who has figured out how to read already knows this. I'm not saying he isn't somewhat funny or entertaining, but it's not like he's doing anything that mind-blowing (whoa, he made fun of Bob Marley AND Jerry Garcia? In the same article!?! My world is fucking crumbling!). In conclusion, um... yeah. Subject: Jim Goad Date: Sep 28 2005 03:10:00 PM Author: Patrice "What has Jim Choad ever contributed to this world but venom, hate, separation and maybe occasionally a little laughter?" In a time when mass media has become nothing more than a means to shove pre-fabricated, often incorrect ideas down our collective throats, I am glad there exists a writer who isn't afraid to openly discuss what most people are afraid to even consider. Jim Goad obviously does his homework and whether or not you agree with his ideas; I am rather disgusted that you (the so-called open-minded readers of Vice) can't appreciate the need for real controversy on "sensitive" topics and Goad's ability to at least begin to fill that void. There's no denying that he gets us talking-- how can that be bad when everyone has equal opportunity to share his or her views? Many of you seem to like to bring up Goad's past, too, which is just that: The Past. Show me someone who doesn't have a skeleton (or seven) in the closet. At least he has the balls to put his out there for discussion. By the way, if you look at his case, there is a lot more to it than most people know...but I digress. Why not stick to discussing the points that Goad is trying to make in his writing instead of spurning his character, which I dare say you know little about? Whether or not I agree with whatever point is being made, I, for one, never shy away from healthy debate...maybe you should figure out why you do. Subject: WTF Date: Sep 28 2005 01:02:58 PM Author: Hate JC Lastly, Chucky, Jim Choad has little talent in writing except to shock and occasionnally be funny. He is as deep or meaningful as Rush Limbaugh, he exists to sell advertising by being "shocking." Most of the above "heroes" mentioned have contributed something positive or inspiring to this world. What has Jim Choad ever contributed to this world but venom, hate, separation and maybe occasionally a little laughter? Subject: WTF Date: Sep 28 2005 12:59:00 PM Author: Hate Jim Choad Yes, arguing with a bunch of idiots is useless...but in response: Skip-I say Jim Goad is racist towards minorities not necessarily due to this writing. In addition to his archives of vitriolic shit, his article in Vice attempting to deflect the heat off of white people for slavery was filled with error and reeked of a desperate attempt to free himself of white guilt. Chucky-I say the Honorable Bob Marley O.M. because that is his official designation in Jamaica after winning the National Hero designation, Jamaica's highest honor. This from a country that tried to assassinate him. Skip-Haile Selassie is not a "pot-smoking God." Haile Selassie is an Eithiopian King who did not even acknowledge the followers of Rastafari (Ras=King Tafari=Haile's birth name). For Jamaicans, stranded on an economy-less island, a proud African king with modern ideas symbolized the past glory of the black race being returned. To say Bob dying for his beliefs "is stupid" is to have no understanding of convictions or faith. There's worse things than dying, especially for people who don't believe that physical death is an absolute end. Chucky-Calling a Jamaican a "fag" will get you shot many times over. NOLA-I bother because I'm not afraid to address ignorance. It really doesn't take much time when people are so willing to talk about things they know nothing about. Subject: well ya Date: Sep 28 2005 12:04:55 PM Author: Sarah why does everyone praise jfk, anyway? he didnt do much of anything. Subject: Hypocrisy, Not Offensiveness Date: Sep 28 2005 10:29:59 AM Author: The Showman from Perkiomen To all those who say this is offensiveness-for-offensiveness's sake, I have to disagree. Each of those twelve people profiled here is typically held up as a paragon of holy virtue by hordes of unquestioning followers. And in every case, even though it's brief, there is evidence that these people, in action, contradicted the bullshit propaganda which they've been able to foist on an unskeptical ocean of true believers. That's the common theme: That these "leaders," who are followed as if they were religious icons, are at base hypocrites. Well, in almost every case. The Jerry Garcia one is just a bunch of insults. And although Bob Marley may not have been a full-blown hypocrite, there was irony in the fact that his religious beliefs—not Evil Babylon, Mon—were his downfall. Subject: Waa! Waa! Date: Sep 28 2005 09:58:17 AM Author: Tiny Baby Fag Waa! Bad man say bad things 'bout my heroes! Make bad man die! Subject: Dude shut the fuck up Date: Sep 28 2005 03:36:18 AM Author: Kill yourself JIm WHAT THE FUCK. are you serious. I can't believe you can claim so hard on people. I can picture you now, you fucking hypocrite. You are one of those goth kids who ripped on conformists. DUDE EVERYBODY IS A CONFORMISTS IT IS CALLED CAPITALISM. KNOCK IT< BUT KNOW YOUR LIMITS. SOME OF THE SHIT YOU SAY IN THIS ARTICLE IS RIDICULOUS. Fellow commentators hit the hammer on the nail. Your arguements: no one cares. Your reasoning is far more offensive then the actual content. Subject: leary double agent? Date: Sep 28 2005 02:31:43 AM Author: josef2012 if you can find it,there's an article from the old grand royal mag either #1 or#2, about a guy who went through a bunch of declassified fbi documents about how tim leary was actively working for the fbi as part of COINTELPRO.he also had some convincing arguments concerning leary's role in designing the army intelligence test(still used today) as the head of psyc. at harvard.can't remember the author's name but i'm sure if you dig enough... snacks for thought at least. Subject: turd Date: Sep 27 2005 11:48:39 PM Author: Jon "On the Road may have inspired countless “stream-of-consciousness” imitations, but the “stream” was the rank piss of a hopeless alcoholic, and the “consciousness” was that of a homophobic cocksucker who went on collegiate gay-bashing jaunts with jock friends before bedding dozens of men." I love how the Vice writers just throw shit out there like the whole gay-bashing jock thing, all nonchalant-like, like everybody knows that about Kerouac...what they're saying is "You cannot question us because we know really retarded random shit." Like I give a shit that he went on "gay-bashing jaunts"? Seriously, I'm supposed to give a shit? That is really supposed to affect my enjoyment of 'On The Road'? Bitch, please. Vice will not stop until there is nothing left that they feel you are supposed to feel guilty for liking. Subject: It's True—Bob Marley Was Retarded Date: Sep 27 2005 10:45:34 PM Author: Skip Stevenson The author is right. Anyone who refuses cancer surgery because of their belief in some idiot pot-smoking God deserves to die. He disses eleven white people here (Iron Eyes was Italian) and only one half-black person, and somehow this is proof he "attacks" minorities? Grow up. Subject: Why Isn't This Article Hyperlinked... Date: Sep 27 2005 10:30:22 PM Author: ...on the Front Page of this Issue? Almost all of the other features are hyperlinked from this issue's index page. So what's going on? This one already has more comments than all the other articles combined. Subject: Jim Goad ROCKS ASS! Date: Sep 27 2005 10:22:37 PM Author: Chucky Dude could beat a thousand women and kill a million mud puppies, but he writes circles around all the talentless fags who dis him. The "Honorable" Bob Marley? Oh, what a fag you are! Please, VICE—mas Goad! Subject: red touch Date: Sep 27 2005 07:52:59 PM Author: mundie McMartin touched my peepee. Subject: "hate jim choad" Date: Sep 27 2005 06:04:45 PM Author: NOLA Maybe jim writes his "intentionally offensive bullshit" because it makes you spend time and effort writing a multi-paragraph retort because you don't agree with his OPINIONS. Subject: "hate jim choad" Date: Sep 27 2005 06:04:45 PM Author: NOLA Maybe jim writes his "intentionally offensive bullshit" because it makes you spend time and effort writing a multi-paragraph retort because you don't agree with his OPINIONS. Subject: ad Date: Sep 27 2005 05:45:34 PM Author: go or marley... like his father being white and the cancer are really his fault... perhaps goad's been reading his strong too closely. Subject: WTF Date: Sep 27 2005 05:38:34 PM Author: Hate Jim Choad Wife beating worthless white trash Jim Choad has finally gone to far. He should be thanking God Vice has no qualms about cutting checks for wife beating racists. He talks so deeply out of his ass that my computer smells like shit now. Dissing the Honorable Robert Nesta Marley O.M.? Whose reggae is superior to his you fucking battybwoi? Is the only reason for his success the fact that he is a rasta, despite the fact that every other reggae musician from his era was too, except for a Muslim Jimmy Cliff? Also, Bob Marley sang for the poor and disenfranchised, having grown up in poor-ass countryside Nine Miles in St. Ann's and fucking Trenchtown, at that time Kingston's roughest slum. He never knew his father actually. Bob got the name Tuff Gong for being the meanest street fighter in Kingston, a small city whose murder rate compares to the entire U.S. So he's a man that knows both sides of the economic/lifestyle coin. Go back to attacking women and minorities, you piece of shit. The only reason you get published is that you write intentionally offensive BS that the pro-skinhead anti-immigrant Vice editors feel gives them their edge. I hope you die soon. Subject: ely Date: Sep 27 2005 05:45:09 PM Author: lon don't knock mr. rogers Subject: jim goad... Date: Sep 27 2005 04:19:48 PM Author: big bambu ...rules fucking ass. seriously. i still have copies of "answer me!". |
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