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I don’t think of myself as a journalist. I never went to university, I never went to college. I was 18, came from this very crappy part of London, Acton, and had been on the dole when I got a job in the mailroom of the Sunday Times. One night I started talking to this guy who was this sort of legendary old reporter who worked on all the investigations, and he got me working on a couple of projects with him. Initially I was just photocopying things and then I was making phone calls, and then I was going out and doing a bit of research. So it was sort of the classic old way of doing things. By the time I was 19 or 20 I was running around doing surveillance on all these incredibly dangerous people. It was just an adventure. And then I started specializing, I suppose, in studying terrorism. And then the 1993 World Trade Center bombing happened, and I began researching and studying it within hours of it happening. It became clear, after looking at it for weeks and then months, that there was a much bigger story behind it than people thought. If you looked at the conventional news on it, they were saying it was just a bunch of crazies, but what they were ignoring or not seeing was that they were just the tip of the iceberg. And that iceberg is what we now call Al Qaeda. I realized there was a book that could be written about it, so I left the Sunday times, and started researching and writing The New Jackals which was published in 1998.
When it came out, nobody was interested. We couldn’t find a publisher for it in the United States. It was a very small university pressNortheastern University Pressthat eventually published it. And the amount of money they gave me for the rights was the price of a ham sandwich. Most of the money came from a British publisher. But even then it was just ridiculous. Nobody would take it seriously. And yet, when you looked at the issue and you looked at the guys who were supporting bin Laden, it was quite clear that they were capable of doing things that nobody believed possible. The whole conclusion of my book was that we were entering a new age of apocalyptic terrorism and these guys, Al Qaeda, were going to launch apocalyptic style attacks. So I can’t say I predicted exactly the attack on the World Trade Center, but certainly it was fairly simple to predict that they were going to launch attacks on that scale, if not larger. I’m not 100 percent critical of how the American administration has dealt with the aftermath of 9/11. But I am 80 to 90 percent critical because I think they’ve failed to put in place the long-term policies that are needed not only to protect Americans, but also to make the world a safer place. The war in Iraq is the biggest engine for creating or for encouraging global terrorism that we or Al Qaeda have ever seen. It’s Al Qaeda’s greatest recruiting tool. We all know the figures. The effects of Iraq will last for many, many years. But the situation in Afghanistan as well is something that’s being largely overlooked now. Al Qaeda in Iraq was hit with a very large fist. Al Qaeda and the Taliban. But neither was obliterated. They were just sort of splintered. You can’t destroy them; you can’t destroy an idea with military might. And that’s really what Al Qaeda is. It’s gone from being Osama bin Laden to Osama bin Laden-ism. It’s a way of thinking. You can’t defeat that by having 300,000 troops on the ground in Iraq. I think the main issue is that the root causes are not being addressed. Now, that’s not only some fairly ludicrous US foreign policies, but also the policies of other countries. Not so much poverty, though. Most terrorists tend to be middle-class and well educated, but certainly the swamp in which they breed is largely fed by images of poverty, the idea that there’s a lot of suffering around the world, and that the United States is largely responsible for it. Which isn’t really true, of course, but it certainly doesn’t help that the United States provides ongoing backing for corrupt regimes in the Middle East and Central Asia. The U.S. can’t really win this situation because it is the only hyper-power. It is going to be the target of a lot of anger around the world. That’s not only because people are angry about America’s freedoms, as George Bush would have you believe, but it’s also people are jealous, people feel inadequate compared to the US. From my own experience, it’s quite staggering how high the hatred people around the world feel for America is running. Higher than any point in modern history. It never reached this stage during the Vietnam War. There’re training camps in Afghanistanad hoc, temporary camps. There are places like this of varying scale all around the world. There are place in Africa where people are trained how to use weapons and explosives. There’re places in Yemen, the deserts of Saudi Arabia, the cities and tribal regions of Pakistanloads of them in Karachi. In Afghanistan as well, but probably less there than in countries like Chechnya, or other places were there aren’t tens of thousands of troops on the ground with satellites. Camps or any new structures that spring up in Afghanistan have a habit of being overflown by predator drones and satellites. And you don’t even need to go to a camp; you can download the instructions from the Internet. Iraq, much more than Afghanistan, is the main training ground now. Al Qaeda emerged from the battlefields of Afghanistan during the 1980s when there was a total war situation going on there, with everybody trying to kick out the Soviet Army. Iraq is now serving that purpose for the next generation of Al Qaeda recruits. I was in Saudi Arabia last year traveling around. The talk there is of the thousands of young men who have disappeared from the villages and the towns and gone north into Iraq to fight against American troops. Many of those Saudis and other nationalities will die in Iraq, but a lot of them will be battle-hardened. You only need a handful but if you’ve got hundreds, then it’s obviously more worrying. And if you’ve got thousands, you just can’t catch all of them. The dictum for the intelligence agencies for the last ten years has been that we have to be lucky every single time. They only have to be lucky once. And that’s really the cat-and-mouse game. When there’re 10,000 mice, you can’t catch them all. So yes, there is a serious risk of more attacks in London or America or Italy or Denmark or Australia. It’s a global terrorist organization, the likes of which we’ve never seen before, and it poses a very unique threat. But at the same time, if we look a bit more long-term, there are actually positive signs out there. The number of global wars is falling, the incidences of world conflict is going down. Almost every country is reducing it’s military spending, except the United States. In fact, war is now running at a much lower rate than it has in human history. There’ve been some interesting studies that say that a human being has a smaller chance of being killed now in armed conflict than at any other point in human history. We’re all talking about how the world is going to hell in a hand basket, but unless you’re a Kurd or member of the Burmese minority or something, things are looking up. Eighty countries have become democracies in the last 20 years. Things can be made betterit’s not a case of “the world’s fucked and there’s nothing we can do about it.” The threat Al Qaeda presents is nothing compared to the risk of climate change or environmental collapse. When we talk about terrorism, we have to get it in perspective. In many ways Al Qaeda can just rest up now. If they look at what happened with Katrina, they can develop a strand of thinking whereby they don’t really need to worry about attacking the West, because the way we’re fucking up the environment is going to kill us all anyway. The response to Katrina was just absolutely gob smacking. I don’t think Americans realize how this has been playing out around the world. It just destroys any notion of America as the benevolent super power. Working through all this has sort of been my education in journalism. I’ve found more about seeking out information and knowledge than just attempting to report on it. I go out and work on projects that are interesting for me, not because they’re interesting to everybody else or they’re things that will be news worthy. I started investigating what we call Al-Qaeda in the mid-90s when it wasn’t really clear what they were or even what sort of threat they were. It was only as the years ticked by that it became clear how huge a threat they pose. SIMON REEVE AS TOLD TO EDDY MORRETTI |
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Subject: Date: Sep 22 2006 05:39:47 AM Author: Mike "Google preved rodnoy! Subject: much needed Date: Jan 25 2006 05:04:45 AM Author: perspective by "human history" he means "civilized history". a little difference of about 4 million years. Subject: research Date: Dec 20 2005 04:04:07 PM Author: matt ellis what do you guys do to get your info? Your articles always seem so well researched. Where do you go for your facts? 7 times more men are sexually assaulted than women? the hammerhead is just a mutation and not a plan of evolution? Which studies say that we won't likely be killed in armed conflict? Do you read Harper's or the Guardian or something? I'm an idiot and I'd like to read more than just VICE. Subject: Simon Reeve know shit, all right. Date: Dec 19 2005 05:04:06 PM Author: N "I don’t think of myself as a journalist. I never went to university, I never went to college. I was 18, came from this very crappy part of London, Acton, and had been on the dole when I got a job in the mailroom of the Sunday Times." That's got to be one of the most inauspicious beginnings of an article imaginable, almost like saying, "I'm so drunk I can hardly talk or think, but anyway, listen to this..." On the other hand, you almost have a hard time noticing the self-castration of the first sentence after you've read the last bit: "Things can be made better—it’s not a case of 'the world’s fucked and there’s nothing we can do about it.' The threat Al Qaeda presents is nothing compared to the risk of climate change or environmental collapse. When we talk about terrorism, we have to get it in perspective." He has us read 3000 words on why Al Qaeda is like an unkillable Hydra, but hey, first we've gotta save those whales. Rather than attempting to sort us on Al Qaeda, maybe old Steve should go back to sorting mail. Subject: you need a... Date: Dec 19 2005 02:42:51 PM Author: D proof reader! I don't dislike this article, in fact I think there are some interesting points. My beef is with VICE. Does anyone at VICE proof read these articles? Some of you at VICE must be pretty well educated, and you should take it upon yourselves to fire the illiterate fuck-offs lurking in your offices. You know who they are, so why are you protecting them? I've been reading VICE since it started here in Al Canaeda, and I know for a fact that the quality of your articles is sliding. I'm not suggesting that it should be journalism, since the very absence of journalistic style is what sets VICE apart, but it's getting sloppy. And bad writing compromises the whole fuckin' point of what you're doing! How can clever writing succeed if it's full of non-sequiturs, retarded logic, and incomplete sentences? (Answer: It can't.) Be careful, VICE. Don't go the way of Nietzsche in the final throes of syphilis. Send your staffers to an Oscar Wilde retreat, or a Martin Amis workshop. Or summon Bill Hicks from the dead to give you a crash course in grammar. I don't care what you have to do.. just do it! Vice has a lot to offer, but be mindful of the reader's pain threshold. You'll lose fans if you keep this shit up. And fuck you to all the people who don't think good writing is important. I bet you read Harry Potter books, you fuckin' lackeys. Subject: to sufisam Date: Dec 15 2005 10:18:38 AM Author: thomas so yeh where are you published again? wait nobody cares. good article Subject: adfasf Date: Dec 11 2005 09:26:06 PM Author: sufisam this article was like a 10th grade research project. "They were just sort of splintered." wow thats gooood writtin. the interview with that adventurer dude was way cooler and contradicts this article. Subject: You know this. Date: Dec 10 2005 04:51:30 PM Author: Y.A.B It's coming........ Subject: hom sweet home Date: Dec 08 2005 08:33:39 AM Author: amanvi dhariwal This picture reminds me of home Subject: wark Date: Dec 05 2005 02:53:35 PM Author: juice that photo is so good its like elder bro teachin little bro the lay out vietnam was lookin way better better back drop for photo's desert war photo's suck ass now jungle photo's of little brown doods lets talk i would loved a photo of general custer'd dick cut off.... or hitler cryin' in a ball this world has just started.... Subject: FUCK "ME" Date: Dec 04 2005 10:44:11 AM Author: Balls on your Chin why does giving a shit about the state of our fucking home make someone a hippie? You dipshit complacent hipsters are the real hippies, thinking nothing is worth losing your cool over. Read up on the ELF, these guys would eat sloppy cunts like you out in any back alley. Read a fuckin book, or stick your head under a bus, you fucking fag! Subject: last 3 comments Date: Dec 03 2005 07:15:53 PM Author: pip Which is more petty: our fighting or our impotence? Or our clever-clever questions (not that one!)? Subject: stop recycling Date: Dec 03 2005 04:26:39 AM Author: pudfluff it's great that the more we fuck the earth up the easier it is for the earth to just dust us off like that. Katrina killed a lot of people like that tsunami did and these are baby steps so far. All our fighting is petty isn't it? Subject: tt Date: Dec 01 2005 07:41:04 AM Author: me Did you even read the article? Or did you just ask one of your hippie friends? Subject: hh Date: Dec 01 2005 12:46:51 AM Author: tt first to comment. and comment i will. George bush--> bush family--> bin laden family--> Osama bin laden. common guys their all in cahoots and yes, terrorist come from middle class arab families, the boys and girls.. Man are they deluded.. and they live in YOUR neighbourhood. Its likely Mamood in your classroom/workplace.. so LOOK OUT! their just like you and me. But yes, they have their delusions....and poorly thought out solutions... it can happen to anyone |
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