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Subject: Hey, RacerX Date: Jan 05 2005 04:16:53 PM Author: AJB here's my site: www.visia.ca I'll second the comments by the always sexy and hyper-talented LindaLovelace: Vice is more like a scrapbook than it is a magazine so it's ironic that this article is being published. Funny article though. And I still stand that there's a lot of dumb replies in this thread. Perhaps this one included. Subject: Undoes Life Date: Jan 05 2005 02:11:45 PM Author: Some guy named Pat 'If you're a real designer you will find yourself automatically miming "command-Z" every time you spill a coffee or get an STD.' Oh my fucking god dude... I DO that... well, expect for the STD part... Sometimes I even throw apples around hoping that will help :/ Subject: RacerX Date: Jan 05 2005 01:06:07 PM Author: lindalovelace http://www.blueprintmedia.ca You are entitled to your opinion as I am mine. I just find it odd that such a poorly designed magazine would have the gall to put out a piece on design. It's great to be an observer but it's better to pull off your own shit before you bestow it on others. But then again it is vice so whatever. sorry to have offended you Subject: design my flyer Date: Jan 05 2005 10:36:01 AM Author: my victoria hey art geeks! quit whining and design a flyer or something for my band. we have no money and we're not gudios who will trash your ideas. we like vaginas and pedophilia. www.myvictoria.net i'm seriosu about this. we're looking for a lighter design. anyone got one of pandas with swollen genitals? Subject: tears Date: Jan 05 2005 04:22:16 AM Author: TheFriction thanks for reminding me that wanting to kick clients repeatedly in the face is actually a natural part of freelance design work. I especially agree with the part about being a human paintbrush. So true I cried inside. Subject: Flamers really bug me Date: Jan 04 2005 11:55:44 PM Author: RacerX People like... Author: AJB there's a lot of dumb fucking people posting replies in here. and... Author: lindalovelace Try going to http://www.newstoday.com, we need more retards who think they know it all, to talk shit over there. Get a decent editorial layout together then you can try schooling the world on design. ...are a waste of time. In the real world you're probably hacks with low self esteem. You would never have the courage to confront someone in this wreckless manner. You're comfortable as you hide behind your monitor. PLEASE provide us with a link to your site to provide some validity to your caustic message. The world is pretty screwed up and your not helping by dumping your negativity on others. My guess is that neither of you will respond. Go ruffle feathers on another thread LOSERS. Subject: That comic Date: Jan 04 2005 02:12:51 PM Author: Harvey P What's with that dude's web site? He got issues, man. Subject: http://billsblog.typepad.com/ Date: Jan 04 2005 01:51:59 PM Author: Bill Very funny article! The Quark thing is always amusing to me. I don't love the program but having used it for about many years now it's super easy for me to do pretty much anything quickly. Took a little time to get to that point though. I'm ready for InDesign. Subject: germans are neat. Date: Jan 04 2005 01:58:23 PM Author: mr_flaco I like ponies myself. Subject: design speak in vice???? Date: Jan 04 2005 01:47:19 PM Author: lindalovelace Try going to http://www.newstoday.com, we need more retards who think they know it all, to talk shit over there. Get a decent editorial layout together then you can try schooling the world on design. Subject: Osiris Date: Jan 04 2005 01:21:55 PM Author: Kay Pee Osiris--should be a guy, based on Egyptian mythology, but in this case it works. Osiris was the son of Geb and Nut, which proved appropriate since his brother, Set, killed him by sticking him in a coffin which he threw in the Nile. His wife, Isis, looked for his body, found it, and pieced it together--except for the genitals which were eaten by fish. So, Osiris Ortega is dickless. Anti-Quark toons ROOL! Subject: This thread is nuts! Date: Jan 02 2005 01:04:38 PM Author: Race Bannon I've been in the design business for about 15 years and if you look closely we all have the same issues. If you support Adobe, Macromedia, or Quark you'll admit they're all clunky. As the designer, unfortunately way too much technical knowledge is required. You all remember the first time you had to figure out a clipping path and then re-learn it in another application for a different client. And Typefaces!!! Why does it all need to be so complicated? I think a major problem is that from the beginning software companies never actually talked to practicing creatives to model the software after what they would actually like. I could be right, or maybe I've been huffing too much spray mount. -cheers out! Subject: the respondants Date: Jan 02 2005 10:15:43 PM Author: AJB there's a lot of dumb fucking people posting replies in here. Subject: i dunno Date: Jan 02 2005 03:19:45 PM Author: Osiris Ortega that guys comic was shit, dont bother. Subject: Date: Jan 02 2005 01:07:31 PM Author: sve one day "designers" will catch on, and learn that MS Paint is THE FUTURE. good article! Subject: yeah. Date: Jan 02 2005 12:14:20 PM Author: NoPattern the reason this list is pretty right on is because every dork 15 year old in an 'indie rock screamo band' gets his hands on photoshop and makes album artwork and flyers, or every kid who grew up having his parents tell him he could draw OK thought he'd make a career out of it. learn photoshop, know the filters, and get used to a DTP program. sorry, but no. you want to be a designer? put your blood, sweat, and tears into hour after hour of hard work and development of creativity and personal marketing (especially if you freelance.) good times though, right? Subject: "creative" directors Date: Jan 02 2005 12:21:29 PM Author: wwjd i go to sleep thinking about shoving a red hot poker into the eyes of my so called creative director. Next time that motherfucker says "look it. i've been doing this for over 30 years" i'm going to punch him so hard in the throat that his dead relatives will cut a farts in their coffins, you old has-been hack wouldn't know good design if was sucking your gay dick motherfucker. Subject: d is for dick Date: Jan 02 2005 07:49:26 AM Author: bob hope listen up bitches. d should be for dick and not this whack drop cap shit. cos what's the point of living if y'all dont have a dick? holla. Subject: go to a state school Date: Jan 02 2005 01:20:48 AM Author: john to "sperm" - i go a state school who has an art and design conservatory and i have learned more than most school for half the cost... if all you got out of design school was how to design the olive oil logo you went to the wrong school and didn't research enough you dumb ass Subject: InDesign Date: Jan 01 2005 11:57:38 PM Author: r.e.e.d. one problem is that InDesign doesn't support xml, which is a huge shortcoming. Also with all the plug-ins that have been invented for Quark, it might be difficult to just disentangle yourself from the program and quit cold turkey. Also, I drink my own pee. Subject: It ain't the tools... Date: Jan 01 2005 06:47:21 PM Author: 15+ year pro Indesign, quark, pagemaker, illustrator, ps, freehand... heck even corel has the capability. All good design starts with something beyond the tools you use. That said, I personally prefer all things Adobe, ID, PS and AI, simply for the ease in workflow it provides. Some of the other programs do some other things a little better, but no full suite of tools can compare to Adobe in a professional environment. I've used all the tools, starting with Quark back before windows existed and Mac Quadra's were all the rage. It's pretty funny and acurate the way the author begins his essay. At over 15 years of professional work now I still don't drive a BMW, and drugs are no more available to me then anyone else. Perhaps that's a personal choice though, the standards that we used to measure a person's success back in the 80's is much different then the way we view it today. Personally for me, getting high and laid all the time is not a measure of success. Being able to work the hours I want and having time for friends and family, and still making enough to buy a few nice things here and there is successful enough for me. Certainly there is no argument that the design profession today seems far less glamourous then it used to be, but a good designer can still have a really great life =) Subject: yeah but Date: Jan 01 2005 04:59:33 PM Author: some joker Just out of interest, what do you lot think of quark anyway? Subject: Design... Date: Jan 01 2005 12:01:17 PM Author: Miikka Fuck all things. Windows' Paint is "The Do" in design right now. Subject: what next Date: Jan 01 2005 06:26:10 AM Author: mamuk I just compile my work in Illustrator/ Photoshop and I wish someday I will own a copy of Flash because the prices of these programs sent me broke. >>>MAC RULES Subject: if you hate quark Date: Dec 31 2004 07:08:36 PM Author: pumpie (and don't we all) you will love this comic (cut-n-paste the link, not sure how to "code" this mutha) http://www.markmartin.net/come/benb2.html Subject: you tossers Date: Dec 31 2004 05:23:47 PM Author: another fuckin designer Yeah the funniest and most ironic thing I've read in Vice for a while was the cover saying "The Design Issue" It's almost like hearing Jay Leno talk about how to be funny. Subject: FUCK A QUARK Date: Dec 31 2004 05:17:14 PM Author: The Almighty One QUARK EXPRESS IS THEE BIGGEST PIECE OF SHIT PROGRAM EVER CREATED. SHIT COST $799 AND THERE STILL AINT EVEN A MULTIPLE UNDO!!! FUCK QUARK WIF A STEAK KNIFE NIGGA Subject: 'sup Date: Dec 31 2004 12:16:46 PM Author: dirtbag ya, fuck white headphones! Subject: sperm Date: Dec 31 2004 10:45:31 AM Author: self-mutilator design school was a huge dick up the ass. I'm in the fuck-hole 40k after spending 4 years learning i should never set anything in Arial or caslon, and how to design an olive oil label that the white headphones set will dig. how can these schools get away charging so much to teach such bullshit? Yeah, i'm bitter. I'm gonna do everyone a favor and sit in the bathtub with a plastic bag over my head. Fuck you. Subject: i like design....do you like design? Date: Dec 31 2004 10:54:35 AM Author: ballen ....this is fun....everyone here is angry and has opinions...! Subject: Poo you all Date: Dec 31 2004 07:03:40 AM Author: Poo You guys are so lame, swearing, ranting and farting all the time and all you think about is sex! Get better at design and do your jobs properly - sort your lives out you fools. Get a life! Subject: Zipper Date: Dec 31 2004 03:26:59 AM Author: Stanley I remember some bullshit 10 page magazine that Adobe used to produce that told you how to do wonderful, amazing things using Freehand. In one issue they featured a fake logo that looked like that zipper. They praised the designer who created it (specifically for the piece) and said "there's no substitute for good ol' imagination." I am so glad I don't work in design anymore. Subject: design does suck Date: Dec 31 2004 01:23:43 AM Author: kill fuck all idealistic students. Graphic designers are all the kids that smealt like laudry detergent growing up. It is cool though, you can make $50 /hr working at home, and then after lunch get high and lick your girls pussy... wait, am I VICE enough? Subject: that duesch bag up top of the comments Date: Dec 30 2004 11:45:46 PM Author: doesn't really matter look. i don't really care if you have quark or indesign. i'm a student, i got stolen versions of all the new crap. but any toolbox cranking out a "whole production" in a day or whatever isn't cranking out anything i'm gonna wanna to look at without laughing or then crumbling up and throwing in the trash. basically what yer tellin us is "i make crap in a day with quark. you suck." you must be a harvard debate champ. chump. anti-quark whatever...who cares, yer a tool. peas out cats Subject: quark still sux Date: Dec 30 2004 08:36:25 PM Author: another design monkey Funny, v6 on OSx still sucks ass for me, just not as bad as the last version. Laugh it up, oldschooler, you'll be like all those heavy pro's that swore by Amiga back in the early 90's, just watch. InDesign is so much easier to use, better integrated with standard design tools, and less crashomatic, that the only reason I can see that anyone uses Quark is because a few prepress fuckers haven't upgraded yet. Subject: anti-quark bitches Date: Dec 30 2004 06:59:31 PM Author: brian s ha ha ha, so use adobe, suckers. meanwhile, when you want a job quark'll still be 'it', so get a new line of work if you can't deal. Quark has a bad rep cuz nobody upgrades, i worked for newspaper in Boca, they were runnin' 4.0.1 on os9, me? i was runnin' 5.0.1 in X, them: crashes alla time. Me? turned my 60-hr work week into 8, hah, same cash, way less work. thy ended up letting me be the entire production dep't and I still beat the shit in one-day-a week...Next time hire a pro, lamers. Subject: THIS IS FUCKING PERFECT Date: Dec 30 2004 02:27:33 PM Author: Too Tall Jahmal You have described my life with completeness. I find myself skimming through the paper looking for jobs that involve lifting rocks. I dont care how shitty the pay is... I need to install a whole new OS in my brain. FUCK design. Subject: its just so true! Date: Dec 30 2004 02:03:36 PM Author: bola yes! they are right! design is for crazy masokistiks! lets hoppe one day all this ends! Subject: quarkxpatriot Date: Dec 30 2004 01:53:32 PM Author: alana post like practically everyone else i hate quarkxpress. i hate it so much that after about six months of typesetting i left my job and went straight to quebec, where i'd been informed quarkxpress was not used because it could not be pronounced. i hope the next version has a built in suicide template )': Subject: um Date: Dec 30 2004 09:03:01 AM Author: jaek Some of you folks need to step away from the coffee pot. :D Subject: SCRIBUS SUCKS Date: Dec 30 2004 12:27:05 AM Author: 3507321C LINUX IS HARD AS FUCK TO LEARN...........C'MON!!! Subject: a check list for you whiney bastards Date: Dec 29 2004 10:48:31 PM Author: jason 1) check out scribus www . scribus . org . uk 2) stop whining. Subject: quark sux ok Date: Dec 29 2004 07:39:03 PM Author: another design monkey sure Quark crashes more than dc-10s in the 80's but WTF put it on auto save already. The most important thing this article missed is having to photoshop all your product shots because development were too fucked to get them done on time to go to the photographer because the boss is a total moneygrubbing cunt distracting them with irrelevant projects until a week before deadline. Yeah, I can make a 3-panel baseball cap with 3d die cut felt logo placement and 3D embroidery, soutache piping, a split peak, and a silkscreen treatment from a picture of your little brother's jackoff sock, no problem. I'll just stay here in front of the computer until 3 in the morning while you go on a ski vacation, asshole. Subject: cool Date: Dec 29 2004 12:29:28 PM Author: idiotface If I have to read one more article from some 23 year-old that's waxing nostalgic about the 60's I'm gonna pee on his mom. I'm serious! Remember when Suicidal Tendencies came out? Of course you don't;you were 1. Subject: i wonder Date: Dec 29 2004 10:05:34 AM Author: flugelhorn what magazine design would be like if they all still used pasteups and light tables and stuff. i'll bet they would be better Subject: Manual Date: Dec 29 2004 09:28:57 AM Author: Homeless Cop I draw by hand, so fuck ya'llz.... Subject: WOWEE Date: Dec 29 2004 04:00:52 AM Author: 3507321C IF I WANTED A FUCKING LESSON I'D GO TO SCHOOL, TF WAS THAT, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT I JUST READ........................................................ .................................................I MEAN........................................C'MON ! Subject: get with it Date: Dec 28 2004 08:33:18 PM Author: bob crane fuq Quark, InDesign for the next 10 years, bitch! Top of the food chain, nigga! Subject: quark suckspress Date: Dec 28 2004 07:30:20 PM Author: eli b quark is the single shittiest program i have ever used. 47 steps to do one goddamn thing i could have done in another program in 1 is so futuristic. why do they keep coming out with new versions? you know after you do three things to your file the mac will crash and you forgot to save this time. Subject: overprint... Date: Dec 27 2004 09:59:45 PM Author: dan all very good but to be practical, "overprint" should read "trapping". If everything is set to overprint everything else all your colors are gonna be messed up. |
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