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Genauso verhält es sich mit den unterschiedlichen Rassen bei den Menschen. Sie alle weisen zwar dieselbe spezifisch menschliche Struktur auf, denken aber nicht gleich. Wenn also die Regierung oder irgendjemand, der kein Indianer ist, hier zum Beispiel ein Programm zur Bekämpfung des Alkoholismus starten will, dann wird das nur funktionieren, wenn diese Person denkt wie ein Indianer. Er weiß aber nicht, wie wir denken. Ein Programm, das in New York mit gutem Erfolg lief, wird hier einfach nicht funktionieren. Es ist wie Tag und Nacht. Es wäre ja wirklich sehr schön auf dieser Welt, wenn wir alle gleich wären, aber wir sind es nicht. Und der alte Spruch, nach dem alle Menschen gleich erschaffen sind? Nun, wenn wir von Rechten sprechen, also vom Recht, irgendwo zu sein, oder vom Recht, etwas zu tun, dann ist das schon wahr. Aber was das gleich sein betrifft: wir sind es nicht, weil wir unterschiedlich denken. Wir sind mental unterschiedlich strukturiert. Unsere indianischen Denkstrukturen, die Art wie wir ständig in der spirituellen Welt leben, und wie unsere Religion unserer Kultur entsprach, das macht unsere Lebensauffassung aus. Unter dem Begriff Religion versteht man normalerweise eine Gruppe von Menschen, die sich in Bezug auf ihre spirituellen Ansichten einig sind. Unsere Religion ist unser Leben. Es ist ein und dasselbe. Man wird unter den eingeborenen Indianern nur sehr wenige Atheisten finden. So sind wir nicht strukturiert. Es gibt dieses Konzept, nach dem die Menschen auf diesem Planeten vier unterschiedliche Grundhautfarben haben. Wir haben da die Roten, die Schwarzen, die Gelben und die Weißen. Jede dieser Gruppen spielt eine bestimmte Rolle. Ich sage nicht, dass wir eine der Gruppen ausrotten müssen, denn das entspricht nicht der Wahrheit. Sie alle spielen ihre Rolle in unserem Lebenskreislauf. Jede hat ihren eigenen Zweck, etwas, was sie hier beizutragen hat. Jede Gruppe hat eine lebenswichtige Aufgabe zugeteilt bekommen, etwas, womit sie der gesamten Struktur dient. Den Weißen wurde das Wissen anvertraut und das Symbol für ihr Wissen ist der Biber. Er war der, der das Wissen hatte. Der Biber vollbringt in seinem Kampf gegen die Wassermassen technische Meisterleistungen, die noch heute ohne Beispiel sind, deshalb wurde er mit dem Wissen betraut. Die Gelben wurden mit dem emotionalen Teil des Geistes betraut. Deshalb werden sie durch den Büffel symbolisiert. Den Schwarzen wurde das Physische anvertraut. Man muss zugeben, dass sie in sportlichen Belangen besser dastehen. Auch in Afrika. Das wurde ihnen gegeben. Wenn man sich anschaut, wie sie sich bewegen, und wie sie tanzen, das macht ihnen keiner nach. Ihr Symbol ist der Wolverine, ihrer Physis wegen. Der rote Mann ist für die Spiritualität zuständig. Das Symbol dafür ist der Adler. In unserer Kultur gibt es eine Bestimmung für jedes dieser Tiere. Nimm alle vier zusammen und du hast den perfekten Kreis. Wenn alle anerkennen, dass jeder hier seine Bestimmung und seinen Platz hat, dann läuft alles rund, so wie die Reifen an einem Auto. Es fährt geschmeidig die Straße entlang. Angenommen, ein Reifen hat einen Platten oder fehlt ganz, dann ist eine sanfte Fahrt nicht möglich. Es läuft einfach nicht, alles läuft aus dem Ruder. Wir haben diese Strukturen nicht geschaffen, es ist so vorgegeben. Man sieht, was passiert, wenn jemand versucht, eine Rasse zu eliminieren. Hitler hat es nicht geschafft, die Juden (4 Millionen) auszurotten, die Europäer haben es auch bei den Indianern (40 Millionen) nicht geschafft. Der Ausgangsplan war „Wir werden sie einfach ausradieren!“ Das mit dem Skalpieren, das haben wir uns übrigens auch von den Europäern abgeschaut. Sie hatten ein Kopfgeld für jeden toten Indianer ausgesetzt, und so fingen sie an, Skalps zu sammeln, als Beleg für die Abrechnung des Kopfgeldes. Wir fanden das dann auch eine ziemlich gute Methode, den Überblick über seine Ausbeute an toten Feinden zu behalten. Das fanden wir ganz nett. Und so fing es bei uns an, ursprünglich haben wir das nicht gemacht. Aber dann fanden wir es auch irgendwie ganz cool, die Haare unserer Feinde am Gürtel zu tragen. Die größten Probleme entstehen meiner Meinung nach dadurch, dass eine Rasse eine andere nicht versteht. Eigentlich müsste man doch nur sagen: „OK, ich respektiere das. Ich weiß zwar nicht, was du denkst und was dich so umtreibt, aber ich respektiere dich.“ Das ist wie die Beziehung zwischen Mann und Frau: „Du bist eine Frau, ich ein Mann. Lass es uns einfach dabei belassen. Wir verstehen es nicht, niemand wird es je völlig durchschauen.“ Anstatt nun diesen vernünftigen Ansatz auch auf den Umgang mit fremden Rassen zu übertragen, hat man eher nach dem Motto gehandelt: „Na ja, wir verstehen euch nicht, also werden wir euch wohl alle umbringen müssen!“ So ist das immer gelaufen. Es hat angefangen, als Kolumbus hier gelandet ist, und noch heute, im 21. Jahrhundert, läuft es so. Sie versuchen immer noch, uns zu assimilieren. Aber sie können mich nicht zu einem Weißen, einem Schwarzen oder Gelben machen. Das klappt nicht. So wird es nie funktionieren. Die US-Regierung hat sich etwas ausgedacht, um bestimmen zu können, wer ein Blackfoot ist und wer nicht: das so genannte Blutquantum, das besagt, wie viel Prozent Stammesblut eine Person besitzt. Aber welche andere Rasse hat so ein Blutquantum? Wie groß muss der Anteil an schwarzem Blut sein, damit man als Schwarzer gilt, wie viel irisches Blut, um Ire zu sein? Ich verstehe nicht, warum das nur bei uns gemacht wird. Ich habe den Eindruck, dass es wieder mal auf Assimilierung und Abgrenzung hinausläuft. Sie würden uns gerne ein für alle Mal loswerden, damit sie sich nicht mehr mit uns herumärgern müssen. Aber sie werden sich auf ewig mit uns abfinden müssen. Sie sagen: „Wir haben keine Lust, auf immer und ewig für die Gesundheitsversorgung dieser Indianer aufkommen zu müssen.“ Dann hättet ihr diese Klausel halt nicht in das Abkommen aufnehmen dürfen. Ihr wollt in diesem Reservat keine Unterkünfte bauen? Dann hättet ihr das auch nicht in das Abkommen schreiben sollen. Ihr wollt die Ausbildung von Indianern nicht weiter finanzieren? Auch das hättet ihr da nicht reinnehmen müssen! Anstatt uns loswerden zu wollen, oder zu versuchen uns zu assimilieren, solltet ihr lieber sagen: „Ihr dürft so sein wie ihr wollt, und ich werde so sein, wie ich will.“ Wir haben hier in den USA gewisse Regeln, die wir alle beachten müssen. So lange wir diese Regeln einhalten, ist es mir egal, was du denkst. Es ist mir einerlei. Mir ist nur wichtig, was ich denke, obwohl auch ich diesen selben Regelungen unterliege. Ich habe sowieso den Eindruck, dass ich amerikanischer als ein Weißer bin. Bin ich ein Patriot? Glaube ich an die US-Regierung? Nenn mir nur eine Begebenheit in der Geschichte, die geeignet ist, in mir Vertrauen in die Art und Weise zu wecken, wie sie mit uns umgegangen sind, so dass ich sagen könnte: „Ja, ich vertraue unserer Regierung!“ Aber sie haben immer wieder nur Truppen hergeschickt und unser Volk wieder und wieder massakriert. Wir sind erst 1933 als Bürger der USA anerkannt worden. In Kanada ist man anders mit den Blackfeet umgegangen. Sie haben einen Zaun um sie gebaut und sie in Ruhe gelassen. So blieb die Kultur erhalten. Die erste Sprache, die man dort oben im Reservat lernt, ist Blackfeet. Hier bei uns kannst du die Leute, die es noch wirklich fließend sprechen, an zwei Händen abzählen. Eine sehr empfindliche Grenze wird überschritten, wenn ein Volk meint, bestimmen zu müssen, wie ein anderes in Fragen der Spiritualität zu denken hat. Die Blackfeet mussten das erdulden. Man hat auch in dieser Hinsicht versucht, uns zu assimilieren. Die Regierung der Vereinigten Staaten hat Katholiken und Protestanten eingestellt, um uns zu christianisieren, weil wir nicht an Gott glaubten. Wir galten als Wilde. Meiner Ansicht nach haben wir aber gerade aufgrund unserer ausgeprägten Spiritualität all das durchgestanden, was man uns angetan hat. Und wir sind immer noch intakt. Trotz aller Massaker, die an uns verübt wurden, und trotz der Tatsache, dass man uns unsere Kinder weggenommen und in staatliche Internate gesteckt hat. Ich bin wahrscheinlich einer der Letzten, der noch in so ein Internat eingewiesen wurde. Inzwischen gibt es ein modernes, sehr schönes. Da, wo ich war, hat man die Leute nicht sehr gut behandelt. Sie schreckten nicht davor zurück, uns zu schlagen und andere drakonische Strafen zu verhängen. Einige der Dinge, die ich auf der Cut Bank Boarding School erdulden musste, waren einfach unglaublich, auch wenn es um absolute Kleinigkeiten ging. Als zum Beispiel einmal eine Dose Pfirsiche aus der Küche geklaut worden war, ist die ganze Schule in den Keller geführt worden. Da war ein großer Raum, entlang der Wände standen Bänke. Die ganze Schule, von der Vorschul- bis zur Abschlussklasse, wurde dort runtergeführt. Es fing morgens an, und am Nachmittag saßen wir immer noch da. Wir durften die Bänke nicht verlassen. Wenn die Kleinen pinkeln wollten, mussten sie das dort erledigen. Die wollten sehen, ob es ihnen gelingen würde, einen von uns dazu zu bewegen, zu verraten, wer die Pfirsiche geklaut hatte, bzw. sich selbst anzuzeigen. Ich selbst wusste von nichts. Das Ganze dauerte aber so lang, dass ich mir irgendwann sagte: „Zur Hölle, was werden sie dir schon antun, wenn du einfach sagst, du wärst es gewesen?“ Ich hatte mit dem Diebstahl, wie gesagt, nichts zu tun, aber ich hatte auch keine Lust, wegen einer lächerlichen Dose Pfirsiche eine Woche dort zu hocken. Sie können ja wohl nicht viel mehr tun, als dir eine Tracht Prügel zu verpassen, oder? Als endlich zwei Jungs den Diebstahl zugegeben hatten, ließ man uns alle aufstehen. Wir spreizten unsere Beine und zogen unsere Gürtel aus. Die Jungs mussten nun durch unsere Beine kriechen, während wir sie mit unseren Gürteln auspeitschten. Diese Art der Bestrafung nannten sie die „Linie“. Wenn du nach der Auffassung des Aufsehers nicht hart genug zuschlugst, musstest du selbst durch. Das war schon merkwürdig. Das alles wegen einer Dose Pfirsiche, das stand natürlich in gar keinem Verhältnis. Ich habe schon erlebt, dass Leute, die jemanden umgebracht hatten, milder bestraft wurden. Und ich mag Pfirsiche noch nicht mal besonders. Die Armut ist in unserem Reservat weiter verbreitet als in einem Ghetto. Die Leute scheinen nicht zu verstehen, dass mit der Armut auch Alkoholismus, Drogenmissbrauch, Mord und Vergewaltigung einhergehen. Man muss verstehen, dass wir es hier mit Leuten zu tun haben, die nicht mehr viel zu verlieren haben. Es scheint keinen Ausweg zu geben. Einige meiner Stammesgenossen wurden dieses Jahr nach dem Hurrikan in New Orleans von der FEMA als Räumkräfte eingestellt. Ich finde es merkwürdig, dass die Regierung diesen Blackfeet für 6 Monate Arbeit mehr zahlt, als sie in den letzten 4 Jahren zusammen verdienen konnten. Da ist es doch klar, dass jeder dabei sein will. Ich finde, dass an der ganzen Struktur etwas faul ist. BOB BURNS |
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Subject: AWesome Date: Aug 23 2007 06:22:40 PM Author: Awesome AWESOME racist article Subject: Racial differences Date: May 12 2007 01:21:43 AM Author: WHO CARES WRONG! We ALL are given equal parts. Nothing to do with color, spiritualaty or race! Just find every part within ur self. Otherwise we are all ignorant! There is no seperation. We all are humans with this capability! All Knowing is All Being!!! OR continuation of purification of human kind until WE get it right! Subject: The Rez Date: Dec 31 2006 07:08:05 PM Author: Gerald YellowOwl Jr. Every indn man has the right to get there mind right.Drinking and useing drugs don't help! Subject: bob's article Date: Aug 12 2006 05:48:49 PM Author: jerri Nicely said Bob, but some folks can't ever get it. I do. Always have. Jerri Subject: The racial diffrences Date: Apr 21 2006 03:00:45 AM Author: Garra (Sweden) "The white race was entrusted with the knowledge, and the symbol for their knowledge is the beaver. He was the one that had the knowledge. The beaver did engineering feats that are still unequaled today in terms of being able to hold back water, so he was entrusted with the knowledge. The yellow people were entrusted with the emotional part of the spirit. Because of that nourishment, they’re symbolized by the buffalo. The black people were entrusted with the physical. You have to admit that they play sports better. They were just entrusted with that. You see them move and dance and stuff and you know they are unequaled. Their symbol is the wolverine because of the physical part of them. The red man was entrusted with the spirituality. The symbol of that is the eagle. There is a purpose in our culture for each one of these animals. With all four of them, you have a perfect circle. When everybody acknowledges that everybody has a purpose and a place here, then you have smooth balance, like a tire on a car. It runs down the road smoothly. When you try to eliminate one of those, it’s like driving down the road on a flat tire. It ain’t gonna happen. Everything gets out of hand." I think that he means the white culture, the yellow culture, the black culture and the red culture. Not that every black man is a better runner than the yellow, the red or the white man. Look at the white culture for example. It's obses Subject: Re: American's Post Date: Mar 13 2006 09:13:53 PM Author: Pikunaki It's funny that the more people say there is a change the more things stay the same your post reminds me of the old saying: "The Only good Indian is a dead Indian." Only you have rephrased it to .... whatever!!! Of course, you are the only one in the the position to say who the good or bad ones are? LMAO!!!! Subject: about americans Date: Mar 13 2006 05:26:16 PM Author: american They call them native americans for a reason. Well I am an american and not a white guy. I am not sure what race is white as there are many. I guess they like to stereotype but dont like it when we do it. huh. The indians have way more opportunities than any other race. If they leave the rez they have more opportunities and more values. On the rez they get hand outs and are federally protected. If you need work get up in the morning and work. go to browning in the morning and you will see the ones who are working they are the good ones. The others are home with a hangover or maybe still up. If they didnt like it they wouldnt do it right. Subject: Bob and Traditionalism Date: Mar 12 2006 05:57:20 AM Author: RedFish Oki Folks....Just gonna ask you to think about this for a while before you start hollering and throwing your hands up. Maybe Bob has changed. Maybe he is new to the old traditions....but who of us can say what he is saying is wrong? I dont know Bob. Heard of him yes. But I can read and from what I read of his thoughts ....I agree. Maybe he has just started being tradional but listen....isn't that what we want EVERYONE to start doing? How many Pikuni on the Rez right now are in no way close to being Traditional? How many of our kids try to be Black or White and not RED? How many? We need more people just like Bob. We need more people to stop living like the whites, and believing like the whites, and ACTING like the whites, and ....praying like the whites, while they grin and laugh about how they butchered us....while we carry their flags in our ceremonies.... If we keep bashing everyone who attempts to learn....what does that say about us? Besides, how many of us are perfect Pikuni? How many of us allowed the BIA Gestapo march on our Homeland? How many of us speak ONLY Pikuni? Why dont we? We used to.... Lets have more people like Bob. Subject: Dont give out false information Date: Mar 06 2006 03:42:49 PM Author: What the fuck man? Where did Viceland find the means to interview such a person? This article does not make sense. Does Viceland.com edit their material? or, is it raw information that has no editting to it? Meditate on that if you will. This article was bad, and the person Viceland Magazine interviewed was a bad idea. In no way does this article make anyone more knowledgeable about Native Americans. It is a shame that Blackfeet Indians residing on the Blackfeet Indian Reservation have to listen to such jibberish of one man. If it was old customs( before columbus) this man would be scalped for answering with such ingorance of what a "real" Blackfeet Pikuni Native is? This man is far from that, and I hope all the non-indian people who read this article dont rely on his information about the poverty level, and all that bullshit. Instead, non-natives should look at facts, and do their homework before asking a man who doesn't know the true meaning of 'loyalty to your people'. So, instead we find ourselves wondering what the hell is he trying to prove? and who is trying to address his opinion to? Who ever this article is directed towards is questionable? Maybe it was for the ammusement of non-native people to frown on Native Americans. But, I dont really think the interviewee had a clue he would be made to look like a jack ass on viceland.com Subject: good thoughts Date: Mar 05 2006 05:52:08 PM Author: OGRed NdN gurl if in life you never find the red road you are lost..East African run fast because of survival..Lions...All ATOD's (alcohol,tabacco and other drugs) are because of uneducated council members putting the money in their own pocket instead into the neighborhood of America's Native reservations..Most rez's that I have been too are friendly..it just who you know and who you hang out with..Blood quantum isn't worth pickles..ear wax is... Subject: Weed Dick Date: Feb 07 2006 01:32:10 PM Author: Pikuniaki I admit you sort of ticked me off, I apologize about the negative references to your ability to think. If you have not already done so I would suggest that you read Charlene Burn's article "Medicine Pipe Tradition." This article epitomizes the difference in the world view I was referring to in my original post. If you translate that to everyday activities you might began to understand what the conversation or activity may sound or look like when these two views are not connecting with each other. An example: in college the Indian Students helped each other out so that we could all make it through too much month and not enough money. One person married to a different Tribal member could only see this as the other Indians being worthless for asking for him to participate in this system to which he did to please his wife. Then he lost his job and starting singing a different tune and was a lot more understanding. Subject: Re: Poo On Your Shoe Date: Feb 07 2006 01:03:28 PM Author: OOPS Hit the button too soon Addition to previous post 'You certainly don't need my permission to get it off!' I just don't accept the rubbing of the poo on me and I don't expect that of anyone else either including you. Pikuniaki Subject: Re: Poo On Your Shoe Date: Feb 07 2006 12:41:56 PM Author: Pikuniaki I am one of the "successes" college educated in a medical field etc etc etc etc!!! But you are correct the poo which is definitely on your shoe and to which I was referring is the assumption that I have to be and think "White" in order to be acceptable in the "White" world. This type of thinking, I will never get and though I have had to adapt to it in order to be one of the "successes" I cannot, nor do I want to look "white."As for the rest of your post, regarding promiscous sex and alcohol, both seem to be a problem all over the USA no matter the color of the person. But statistics do point out that the greater the poverty the greater the problem, logic would suggest that there must be a connection! Are you logical or does the weed you put in your dick mess it up to much to use it for rational thinking? Poverty is not a choice but a condition and is affected and influenced by the attitute and the level of tolerance of the dominant society. We, The Blackfeet have a lot of work to do, but telling us we are fuck dogs is not helpful, but hey go for it I would rather see it on your shoe, then your chest, and I know you certainly don't need my permission to get it off! Subject: poo on my shoe Date: Feb 07 2006 12:11:51 AM Author: Weed Dick "I was having a conversation with a Breed who was very assimilated to the White world view and I just thought Wow, I don't think like that." Let me guess. He said, "You know, it's not an easy world and if you want to survive you gotta work hard and live off your own production. We gotta start by not drinking and fucking so much." Subject: Differences in Thinking Date: Feb 02 2006 01:11:03 AM Author: Pikuniaki I congratulate Bob and Charlene, though rather recent to the traditional ways, they are diligently trying to do things in a good way. Yes, I agree with Bob there is a difference in the mentality between the White and the Blackfeet way of thinking, I had an eye opening experience with that realizaton as a teenager. I was having a conversation with a Breed who was very assimilated to the White world view and I just thought Wow, I don't think like that. This particular triat caused me a lot of struggle during college and through my career and believe me this way of thinking is not an indicator of level of intelligence it is a different way of seeing the world! I also think that the Blackfeet returning to the culture striving to learn about the past and the returning of religious items lost to museums back to the Blackfeet Nation, one such example is the Last Star Pipe (referred to in previous post as the Yellow Owl bundle), is a cause for celebration and encouragement! One of the reasons I believe this is because of the return of our people to the traditional ways has brought back our self respect and pride in ourselves as an "Indian" Blackfeet People. Pikuniaki Subject: Yep I remember the school Date: Feb 02 2006 01:04:03 AM Author: Pikuniaki Yep, I remember the school. I was so angry I wanted to write a book about all the violence perpetrated by the main guy in charge - Mr WCW. He was a small man who always wore a cowboy hat to cover his baldness. I often wonder where they recruited these people and why they were so angry at us! I remember stories of him putting all the boys in the basement when a "crime" was committed and making them hold a chair over their heads. The first person to drop the chair was considered guilty and subjected to the "Line". The boys said if anyone was suspected of going easy on the person being punished they were also sent through the line. I have a lot of memories of all the violence both by some of the staff and by some of the other student which includes violence perpetrated on others by yours truly. I also have memories of some wonderful funny and beautiful times of my life at that school. The friendship with the students, some of the very wonderful staff, such as Little Mrs. Crawford, Mrs. Lukin, Mrs LaPlante, Mr Powell Mr Gone (from Ft Belknap) and the white teacher that taught us how to square dance. As for Mr WCW I had my own run-ins with him while at this school - I realize now whether it was conscience on his part that he was trying to break me down, guess what? He didn't succeed and I can also now look back on what happened without anger! Pikuniaki Subject: Bob Burns Date: Feb 01 2006 02:14:36 PM Author: Southsider Bob Burns speaks with forked tongue. Although he talks a good talk about conditions on the Blackfeet Reservation ( I should know I am a lifelong resident of the reservation } Mr Burns is a wannabe medicine man. Those who know the way Bob is know that he did not have anything to do with culture or tradition until recently. The bundle he talks about was stolen from the true family the YellowOwls. This family (who is no relation to me} tried to get this bundle back to the true owners. Bob is owner of the Babb Bar this bar was the baddest bar on the reservation for years, a story about the bar was published in Life as on of the Nations worst. It was well known then that Bob and his boys hated Indians the Blood Indians at that time would come over the Border from Canada and Bob hated them if it was not for the fact that they had money he would have nothing to do with them I was there several times when the Bloods were treated very very bad by this man. You should ask the YellowOwl family about the true story of this Bundle and how Bob got it. Charlene a Traditionlist HA HA HA. Subject: testosterone Date: Feb 01 2006 11:03:33 AM Author: Carle Reeves The classic study on race and testosterone is: Ross R., Bernstein L., Judd, H., Hanisch R., Pike M., and Henderson, B. 1986. "Serum Testosterone Levels in Healthy Young Black and White Men," Journal of the National Cancer Intitute 76: 45-48. Subject: carla is an idiot Date: Feb 01 2006 11:02:13 AM Author: not telling I love how this carla chick or guy can just list stupid things and not half to back them up. How do we know you didn't just make up testosterone. I never heard that Subject: blame Zeus Date: Feb 01 2006 10:45:52 AM Author: Carle Reeves "Our reservation is below the poverty level of a ghetto and people don’t seem to understand that poverty breeds alcoholism, drug abuse, murder, and r_pe." Sorry to break this to you but wealthy tribes like the Pequots have just as many problems as the poor ones. The Winnebegos get $40,000 when they graduate (as well as plenty of checks from the casino throughout their lives) and you know what they do with the money. Throw it away. That's our fault too. If we don't give them money it's our greed. If they get tons of money it's "Too little (even if it's hundreds of thousands) too late." The funny part is all you white college boys that pretend you care have never looked into this question outside google. You talk about education in America for example but you have no idea what the government spends per student and how spending affects their performance (they spend $15,000 per student and even when that budget is doubled very little changes). Subject: rapping or running Date: Feb 01 2006 10:40:26 AM Author: Carle Reeves So the reason ALL sprinters come from a very specific region in Africa is because we denied them opportunites to do other things? Are you out of your fucking mind? It's not like a lot of blacks have a general predisposition to sprinting. It's a very, very, unique trait in a very specific region of the world. You guys love your "nurture" argument so much you blindly stick to it like born again Christians. Please explain this to me. Is it slavery and oppression that made blacks -more prone to sickle cell anemia? -tend to have thinner calves and thicker upper legs (hence the ability to run faster)? -produce more testosterone? Can you throw "nature" a bone or is the all powerful white man responsible for everything bad in the universe. Jesus. Who do you think we are, Zeus? Subject: duh Date: Jan 30 2006 03:53:02 PM Author: duh because they know they'll lose, they can't handle a straight up debate on race. if they do attempt a debate- they'll get some stupid guy who doesn't know what he's talking about Subject: Race. Date: Jan 30 2006 01:10:16 AM Author: Fuck-Chan "Our reservation is below the poverty level of a ghetto and people don’t seem to understand that poverty breeds alcoholism, drug abuse, murder, and r_pe." Also breeds a poor education, a culture with a "poor" mentality and the idea that the only way to get by is rapping or running. This "Certain races are suited for [insert stereotype]" is getting on everyone's nerves. Why are a bunch of white guys trying to impress this upon the readers? Why don't they interview someone with the opposite point of view? Subject: i thought you were going to say that Date: Jan 29 2006 02:39:10 PM Author: who fucking cares Re: West Africans. I'm pretty sure they aren't who the red man is talking about. Subject: good one bob Date: Jan 28 2006 02:43:16 PM Author: yeppers Thank God most of us got what Bob was saying. I feel pretty sorry for the rest of you Hitler wanna bes. Better watch out Bob don't only look like Steven Segal. He can kick ass like him too. Subject: wow Date: Jan 28 2006 01:01:02 PM Author: garrett amazing Subject: one problem Date: Jan 28 2006 10:27:13 AM Author: Carle Reeves All olympic sprinters are West African. Is that because slave owners went there and made them run fast? Why not East Africans you FUCKING MORON!!!?? From http://www.vdare.com/sailer/olympics_2004.htm "Practically every boy on Earth tries sprinting. Fast runners bubble up through local competitions and finally, every four years, the 64 fastest sprinters in the world wind up at the Olympics to compete in the men's 100-meter dash. Three rounds later, only eight are left to race in the Finals. Remarkably, in each of the last five Olympics—1984 through 2000—every finalist, 40 in all, has been of West African descent." Subject: just a little food for thought Date: Jan 28 2006 05:38:11 AM Author: who gives a fuck what my name is? "The black people were entrusted with the physical. You have to admit that they play sports better. They were just entrusted with that. You see them move and dance and stuff and you know they are unequaled." What the fuck?? I mean I can't really speak for anybody else, but I have definitely done my homework on this issue and the truth of the matter is that Africans in America during slavery were bred in exactly the same manner that one breeds cattle. Slave owners were interested solely in healthy, physically attractive specimens who would be capable of doing all of the physical tasks that were necessary to keep a plantation running. So, it was in fact the white man and not the wolverine who made African Americans the way they are today. As for all the other shit go read a few good history books, and you'll figure out that the only thing europeans are good at is taking everybody elses shit and bothering people who would have been better off if they had been left alone. no doubt, the real thug is the white man. I admit it, we are definitely not all the same, but I believe our differences have a lot more to do with geography and necessity than beavers and buffalo. And no one will ever get me to believe in that whole "different races have different tasks" line. And anyone who actually does believe that is just ignorant. But that being said, I do think he's right about pretty much everything else. Subject: racial Date: Jan 24 2006 09:11:51 PM Author: tim carr I fuck the whites with the yellow blacks, and reds fuck my mum, dad fucks me. Subject: Vision Date: Jan 24 2006 06:42:41 PM Author: Angelina A beautiful vision of the world. If only more world visions were more accepting of the boundary of race and societal differences. Subject: Rock n' roll Date: Jan 23 2006 01:33:11 PM Author: David Great stuff!! Really! Subject: comments, etc... Date: Jan 21 2006 10:32:36 AM Author: Mister November Quite possibly one of the most thought provoking and honest pieces i have ever had the pleasure of absorbing, anywhere. Thank you, Bob B, and Vice for that matter. Why do you have to dig so far for work like this... Subject: aLex. Date: Jan 20 2006 08:20:23 PM Author: Mr Right. Whites invented everything cool (almost), it's the asians who copy, and you're the scumbag pussy bitch boy. Blacks have averege dicks. See commentary, last issue ->racist tidbits (beginning). Sorry.... Sorry if you got everything messed up there, better luck next time, you little racist scumm... Subject: ~ Date: Jan 19 2006 05:27:15 PM Author: redman dude looks like Steven segal Subject: damn Date: Jan 17 2006 09:15:39 PM Author: mott cromby good issue of Vice here Subject: Hold up chief.... Date: Jan 17 2006 09:43:29 AM Author: Red Why is Bob going off about the United States of America? If he's living on a reservation then he's not part of the US. They don't let indians vote on reservations. Subject: the structure of the races Date: Jan 16 2006 07:36:18 PM Author: alex kapranos okay so that whole white people = beaver of knowledge, beaver = pussy = white people = pussies, yeah LOL thats pretty funny, but seriosly. The Japs are clearly the doods with the know-the-ledge, they basically invented everything and if they didn't invent it they improved on it a whole lot, so i think they get the knowledge thing. whites are mainly good at looking down thier long pointy noses at everyone and stealing culture little bits of everyone else's culture and then amalgating it inot a something they can stick on the t.v and a million magazines like this, so the long pointy nosed thief award for the next gajillion years consecutively (spelling?) goes to the guy wearing the 'swazzie' NICE! Blacks got good ass (girls) and that whole 'other' thing (you know the thing i mean) so i guess that's cool and as for the native's, well they get a whole issue of VICE dedicated to thier 'rez' and the interest of selfish fucking urban scenester nathan barley fucking cunts for as long as it takes to realize THAT THERE ARE NO FIT CHICKS IN THIS WHOLE FUCKING ISSUE!!!!11111 Subject: race relation Date: Jan 15 2006 05:56:45 PM Author: truth The United States government came up with the blood quantum, a way to gauge who was Blackfeet and who was not. What other race has a blood quantum? How much black blood do you have to have to be black? How much Irish blood to be Irish? I don’t understand why it’s just us. I guess it’s back down to assimilation and termination. Get rid of us once and for all so they don’t have to mess with us. But they are going to deal with us forever. They say, “We’re pretty tired of providing health services for these Indians.” Shouldn’t have written it in your treaty. You don’t want to put housing on this reservation? Shouldn’t have put that in your treaty. You don’t want to provide educational money for these Indians? Shouldn’t have put that in there either! Subject: Wampum Date: Jan 15 2006 01:26:20 PM Author: pepe I think Charlie and Jared Taylor should hang out. Subject: FINALLY Date: Jan 15 2006 11:39:37 AM Author: Swiss Army Knife All the homos in New York and San Franscisco want you to believe that there's no difference between peoples. That it doesn't matter if you're "red green black or blue". Nobody in the world believes that shit because it's just not true. Great article. (Except I don't find asians that passionate.) Subject: no kidding Date: Jan 15 2006 12:05:15 AM Author: Montana This dude does not exaggerate. The reservations in Montana are another world. City people beware! You only imagine that New York is rough. 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