Subject: iraq Date: Mar 22 2007 07:20:22 PM Author: herbert
yup...this left/right shit is getting old...the peeps in power do not ascribe to any nominal notions of left and right anymore-if they ever did. the power of the dollar and elite geo-political concerns hold more sway than liberal/conservative philosophies over the desires of the ruling class. and as an aside, can we please stop the leftie bashing. since 1914 the blood of many a working class/leftist lad has been spilt in the name of freedom. i think you'll find that most so-called lefties are willing to fight for freedom, just not in iraq!
Subject: Another good point.... Date: Mar 22 2007 02:35:26 PM Author: LCpl K
I seriously doubt troops will leave Iraq anytime soon no matter who is elected president for 2008. The bullshit debate is all political spin. Actually this entire troop surge was part of John Kerry's Iraq war plan during his campaign that Bush is "borrowing" now, but liberals are too stupid and brainwashed to remember that and suck Al Gore's dick constantly.
Subject: iraq Date: Mar 21 2007 03:06:55 PM Author: herbert
o yeah, and listen to your politicians as well, why don't you. none of them, democratic or republican, has said anything substantial about bringing ALL american troops home anytime soon. ms. clinton certainly won't--she wants troops there to 'contain' iran and protect american and isreali interests, for which read--the oil companies and the neo-con/likud hawks. so, my educated guess is that y'all be in there for hmmm, let's see, a century or more? a few years ago bush promised you an unending war against terror. now you've got it! enjoy! welcome to the new american century!
Subject: iraq Date: Mar 21 2007 02:58:01 PM Author: herbert
hey shitheads, no matter what your stupid fucking opinion on the iraq war is, the u.s. is not pulling out of that country anytime soon. they have and still are building permanent military bases there, not to mention the world's largest embassy/imperial castle in the green zone. young american men and women can look forward to getting blown up by 'insurgents' for a long fucking time to come.
face facts for fuck's sake--the average people, iraqi and american, are going to be paying in blood and sorrow while the paymasters on both sides pull the strings.
Subject: i throw the bullshit flag Date: Mar 21 2007 12:50:26 PM Author: doc
here's anoher realitycheck- the 45 year old guy had both arms blown off, his face and most of his skull was gone? look- that guy- if he actually suffered those injuries- would be dead as fried chicken in under a minute- they wouldn't have been able to load him into a vahicle and drive him to the saintly doctor ahmed who would then have time to determine that the best treatment for him was down a road blocked by americans... he'd be dead before his family brought the station wagon around! dead in minutes... and does any militarily trained person beleive that an anitpersonel device hidden under a body, had so much power to blow this mans head apart and his arms off-when there is a grown man's corpse shielding him? doubtful! i believe that if the injuries reported is true at all, the injuries were more probably suffered as asshole was building homemade bombs in the shed.. - but that wouldn't make nearly as good a story, no??..
Subject: soikdeth and lcpl Date: Mar 21 2007 12:35:15 PM Author: doc
look, if you havent been, then you just don't know what you're talking about...it's that simple...i can't speak about China because i've never been- so i keep my chinese ignorant mouth shut on the topic! -or i get motivated, and over to china to check it out.... do not trust the news!! there is absolutley NO coverage of what we do that is working, or improvemenst to the schools, fire depts, police, and other infastructure... the us military doesn't gain anything by making it worse..shit, let's be cynical-- it's just easier to pump oil when there are'nt bullets flying!! and troops over there are'nt nazis- i had to take all kinds of training on "middle-eastern cultural sensitivity"... but eveytime something we do gets fucked up- it's covered in detail...
and to doctor hussein ahmed- try to keep the bullshit to a minimum, okay? DG was right- being the best middleeastern hospital 30 years ago means that your buildiing had clean sheets and running water-sometimes... and listen doctor, if the bodies stink- here is a novel approach- BURY THEM! i haven't finished med school, but i think that works you fucking crybaby!
-"hey fellas- you smell how bad the neighborhood stinks? think maybe we should bury the dead?"
-"oh, that's a good idea dr. ahmed!"... arabic-drama-queen bullshit!
Subject: lcpl and sonikdeth pt1 Date: Mar 21 2007 12:33:12 PM Author: doc
i am a corpsman who has been over with my marines...and i gave out free healthcare to iraqis on a weekly basis- cleaning wounds, bandaging, stitching, motrin, etc... i can tell you for a fact that i've personally patched up wounded ENEMY combatants who moments before were shooting at me and mine! ... patriagrande called us "nazis"?!... fuck you!!... there's no revolution, you moron!
the fundamentalist people are creating their own nightmares..."doctors without borders"(lookthem up) is a french/international group that was in iraq providing western quality heathcare for free till 2004-- but why are they gone? because the fucking jihadists tageted these foreign doctors and nurses!!
i think- no fuck that! i know the media's misrepresentaion and agendas only confuse the american people more---
Subject: leftwing foreign policy... Date: Mar 21 2007 12:06:49 PM Author: LCpl K
Here's left foreign policy in three easy steps.
A) Never, ever, ever, send the military to any foreign country ruled by an oppressive regime because war's horrible. OK.
B) Never, ever, ever, trade with a foreign country ruled by an oppressive regime because capitalism is horrible and it only helps the oppressive regime in making money. OK.
C) Never, ever, ever, commit to a sanction, embargo, or act ending exchanging goods with a foreign country ruled by an oppressive regime because that will cause people in that country to starve, be unemployed and homeless. Even though act C) is basically the result of doing both act A) and B) liberals cry bloody murder over doing so. For example, our foreign policy with Iraq and North Korea during the 90's. Somehow, all the bad stuff that happened in those countries was ALL OUR fault. According to Chomsky anyway.
Subject: Reality check ArmyBrat... Date: Mar 21 2007 11:53:20 AM Author: LCpl K
90% of the planet WANTS to be America or that of the first world that the US has protected with a strong arm. It's been the US that protected many countries from falling under communism, nazism, and fascism and the US is the reason why China's made a comeback. Of course some may be hatin' us for being rich and powerful, but if it were the other way around, with some third world country being the world superpower, they wouldn't give two shits about us. So fuck any body against us. Let them starve. We can help anybody who want to align with us and I don't care what happens to the rest in any country. And also fuck you too, if you want to be this humanitarian who want to counter "US oppression" why not join the Peace Corps, drop all your luxuries, and go do humanitarian missions instead whining like some spoiled bitch with some holier than thou attitude. Oh wait, you can't do that, because you are corrupt as the rest of us.
Subject: lCpl = shithead Date: Mar 21 2007 10:41:01 AM Author: ArmyBrat
hey dumbass...your thinking is the reason 90% of the planet hates Americans!
We all have to live on this planet, we can't just keep blowing each other up when we need some food, land or oil...dickwad... soon there will be nothing left!
Nice spelling by the way, genius!
Subject: No sonikdeth has a point... Date: Mar 21 2007 12:38:24 AM Author: LCpl K
I would drop a fucking nuclear bomb on a entire country to improve the quality of life of my family. You can call me an asshole for that belief but I wouldn't doubt a single America let alone a tree hugging fag wouldn't do the same thing for themselves. Why? Because ALL humans have that nature in them. You cry bloody murder over Iraq because you have the conveniance to say so. You live in a life of comfort this American empire forged for the US and rest of the free world, but you have no interest in sacrifice and you just want to feel better about yourself like some Christian elitist with political protest while you live off and enjoy the fruits of American institutions of capitalism. Personally, I never said we DIDN'T get into Iraq for oil and our main interests are oil for the powers that be, but the military on the ground do not profit directly from any of it. We are the only humanitarian force working over there. We are the ones providing the healthcare, the engineers, the construction, the security, and the dirty work.... We still have many problems in Iraq even though we technically conquered the damn place because we do not and refuse to rule the country with an iron hand like Saddam.
Subject: don't use me as your trump card Date: Mar 20 2007 09:52:04 PM Author: your granny
Mr/Ms. Resource manager is using your grandmother to explain why its okay to bomb the shit out of grannies in Iraq.
Pulling out of Iraq is a terrible idea and anyone who feels that we should pull out now is naive
This war is not about Iraqi freedom, or ending an oppressive dictatorship, we invaded iraq to keep vital resources out of the hands of the chinese (OIL), duh.
While killing human beings on any side over Oil seems like a terrible situation; international diplomacy is way more complicated than any simple answer might be able to explain.
To put it as simply as possible
America supports Israel, Islam hates Israel
So, we hate each other.
Iraq has oil
Your grandmother needs oil to heat her home.
we need to get your grandmother oil so she doesn't freeze to death in the winter.
China is rapidly growing as an economic and military force, they also want the oil to run their machinery and heat their own grandmother's homes. If we don't get the oil first our grandmothers will freeze and our military machines will not have enough oil to protect us from China.
Resource Management is why we are in Iraq.
if we pull out now, we will be facing attacks from angry Jihadists for many years and we will be ill equipped to battle larger nations in the future.
Call it blood for oil, either way I'd rather die than see America go under because we were too hip to fight when we had to.
Subject: mikhail Date: Mar 19 2007 09:10:17 PM Author: seeker
I think your argument is good, but have you considered the following possibility?
[1] The USA only set the conditions for the civil war by removing the racist Batthist regime, the Iraqis themsevles "broke-it" by engaging in secular revenge killings with remarkable enthusiasm.
If Shi'a and Sunnis are so enthuasiastic to kill each other over a dispute as to who is descended from Muhamed, what would they do to me, someone who believes that Muhamed was a child molestor [look up Aisha].
I believe that it is a distinct possibility that Islam is an intractibly violent and backward religion. Alternatively, it may just be that Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Bhuddists and Christians are all intollerant ass-holes who can't help but pick fights with poor little Islam.
well, its a fuckin mess, but US can't pull out now, one of these you brake it you buy it deals...
Subject: Vice should be less like Geraldo Date: Mar 19 2007 05:40:36 AM Author: I choose freedom for me and iraq
Vices views show how litle they know and care about the Iraqis freedom.
Why should the U.S stay in Iraq?
Read a Quote below from a couterinsurgent expert who has been there and written extensivly before and after his depoylment to Iraq full artical link after quote.
"foreign forces have much to offer local forces battling an insurgency. Western armies bring communications packages, training advantages, artillery and close air support, medical evacuation, and Quick Reaction Forces that together contribute dramatically to the confidence, morale, and effectiveness of the local forces, especially when trainers are embedded with the locals."
"Task Force 1-34 Armor learned to integrate Civil Affairs, Psychological Operations, and Counterintelligence Teams into its daily counterinsurgency operations. Linking up in theater and inventing doctrine on the run, these Counterinsurgency Teams were essential to the success of the battalion in winning the hearts and minds of the good guys—and of uncovering, capturing, and killing the bad ones." by John A. Nagl
Subject: well if you put it that way hollywood... Date: Mar 18 2007 04:57:03 PM Author: LCpl K
I don't think I would've have signed a the oath if it said "invasion and profit of a country". I don't get a dime from the oil in Iraq nor any member of the military over there. Hell, if you knew my politics you would KNOW that I believe invading Iraq was a terrible mistake. But I must apologize if being against an occupation other than what is espoused by the left confuses the Hell out of you.
Saddam was quite a "secular" dictator- to a point. He himself was a Muslim and had a big enough ego to think he was cooler than Muhammed. I really don't need to debate troops and what exactly they are doing over there with you because you don't ever want to admit people in the military do good things. The oil is being taken out of Iraq no matter if troops in Iraq or not. Just look up "paramilitary companies" idiot. Then maybe realize liberal agendas just played you for a fool to not let you know what war profiteering REALLY is.
Subject: Iraqi shmo Date: Mar 18 2007 04:39:46 PM Author: LCpl K
How did I justify any torture in what I said? I only pointed out that the Iraqis lived under a much worse system of oppression under Saddam's rule than the American occupation. So making an argument saying because Americans did bad things over there we should all leave is a horrible excuse. But I appreciate your well wishes for me in Iraq. Glad you have every right to pray for my slow and painful death sitting at home typing away comfortably on a computer. Only because people like me are willing to die and serve for that pleasure. I'm actually fed up with that kinda idea because I'm sick and tired scum like you on both sides of the Atlantic. I personally think the troops should all leave and let the Iraqis kill themselves. God can sort them out.
Subject: lest you forget.. Date: Mar 17 2007 08:47:57 PM Author: hollywood_hillbilly
I, (full name) having been appointed a (rank), United States Air Force, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter, SO HELP ME GOD.
This is the oath you take when you graduate from the USAFA, I would bet it is pretty much the same for all branches.
I don't know if LCplK has ever read the constitution (it does have some pretty big words) but there isn't anything in there about invading other countries for profit. Sure, you can point to precedents like the spanish-american war, indian "wars", mexico, etc.. But one would hope that we americans could learn to see the motives of our elected officials with so many examples in our relatively short history.
Saddam was a bad person, but the USA helped make him what he was. One thing he was not was a supporter of radical islam. Saddam was viewed as a caliph by radical islamists like al-qaeda and taliban. The only reason there was any al-qaeda in Iraq at all was because of the no-fly zones. Ansar al-Islam only existed because they were protected from Saddam. Saddam regularily executed hamas and hezbollah who came to his country seeking med
Subject: iraq health care Date: Mar 17 2007 07:34:52 PM Author: gnokgnik
We are like a remorseful axe murderer, passing out band aids.
Subject: - Date: Mar 17 2007 02:54:10 PM Author: patriagrande
USAmericans are like the nazis of 21th century (and, of course,part of the 20th too)... and well, we will fuck them as we fuck the nazis. If your fucking fanatic goverment wants to come with marines and bombs to latinamerica... well, we will burn them, one-by-one.
viva la revolución!
viva Chavez carajo!.
Subject: fun to watch west wing and then the news Date: Mar 17 2007 11:39:12 AM Author: goebbles
when did democracy via bombs ever work? bombs and violence are used to destroy things. period.
iraq was never a homogenous nation-state, it was a construction imposed on basically five different peoples with different religions and cultures, and as such it could only be controlled by a powerful dictator. when you want to change that kind of situation (an opinion which in itself is honourable) it's clearly plane stupid and ignorant to go with an military invasion. now you have assfaced american government trying to build up some kind of "democracy" (let me guess: a two-party system with two identical groups of conservative assholes with a lobbyistic fundament where you buy votes in US dollars?) and the majority of the people completely segregated because of what looks like a civil war.
democracy is a system which requires full integration of the people, it has to come from beneath, from the people, which is not the case in iraq. people, lets start THINKING please! sure, a complicated situation can easily be solved with bombs but in that case you will need a whole lot more of em. fuck, just throw in some nukes as a "final solution" and the whole iraq issue is gone. gone with the desert wind...
Subject: yucky Date: Mar 17 2007 09:48:31 AM Author: .
all these opinions are stinking up the joint. don't you guys have some poli-sci 101 term papers you should be writing?
Subject: we don't need another hero Date: Mar 17 2007 03:15:20 AM Author: tater tot
war doesn't make heros, heros make war
Subject: hanson, leaving iraq etc Date: Mar 16 2007 06:54:07 PM Author: yo
hey johnny, go fuck yourself. "Wow" too.
The decision to invade Iraq in the first place was clearly not very well thought out. But the ironic part is that now that we've stirred up this shit storm, if we just up and leave in the middle of it and let the cards fall where they may there REALLY IS a potential that Iraq will end up with a repressive fundamentalist government with lots of oil wealth that is friendly to terrorists and willing to fund them. Whatever nefarious combination of arrogance, fear, fuck ups, lies, and legitimate concerns that got us into this shit, none of it is really relevant in trying to deal with the current situation. It's bad, but leaving will just make it even worse.
Subject: the corp Date: Mar 16 2007 06:19:53 PM Author: johnny
can't wait for LCpl K to get his legs blown off - really
Subject: exploitatron3000 Date: Mar 16 2007 04:50:40 PM Author: eltonbong
I'm sure dude was pretty pumped to have his picture taken.
Subject: b Date: Mar 16 2007 04:15:27 PM Author: a
Good argument chief. Saddam was bad ergo anything that isn't Saddam is awesome.
Stick to Weekly Reader you fucking imbecile.
Subject: saddam Date: Mar 16 2007 03:53:54 PM Author: wow
I wish saddam was still around, his kindness and generousity knew no bounds, sure he may gas his own people now and again...but everyone makes mistakes right?
i hear that everytime an Iraqi dies, george bush gets $10 straight to his bank account
Subject: gah Date: Mar 16 2007 12:59:25 PM Author: ge
the combination of "shit on your honor" and "you scared me" and the poor, poor man on that bed is so horrific and disgusting.
Subject: n/s Date: Mar 16 2007 11:25:47 AM Author: Some kinda guy
Jesus Christ, that poor man looks like the Frankenstein's monster from the 90s remake.
Subject: leadership Date: Mar 16 2007 10:34:47 AM Author: hanson
We did break it. No doubt.
Say what you want about Saddam, but at least he kept things under control.
Our leadership is completely fucked in the head.
(1) A certain segment of our leadership thought we could sort out the chaos in the Middle East if we took over Iraq and established a pro-American Democracy. Hubris.
(2) A certain segment of our leadership wanted the chaos of war, knowing that it would make them and their friends rich(er). Greed.
(3) Oh, and then we have a nutball president who thinks that war in the Middle East is a precursor to the fucking Rapture. Paranoid delusion.
The whole fucking crew has got to go.
Subject: Peanut Gallary Date: Mar 16 2007 09:52:06 AM Author: bandit a la mode
Yah, we can't fix it... but we sure as hell broke it.
It's not because they're fucked up as a people, people anywhere will take advantage of a chaotic situation.
It's 100% our fault, not because our people aren't doing what they're supposed to over there for the most part (again, anyone will take advantage of chaos), but because we were arrogant to think a piddling little country that is only a few hundred years old could restructure one of the oldest regions in the world using brute force.
The lesson from Iraq is this: We supposedly took Saddam out of office because he was a tyrant and his people didn’t check him themselves when he was stirring up shit. (Okay, maybe we can see now why he ruled the way he did, but that’s another story) If you can’t keep your own country in check, someone will come in and take it for you, and they sure aren’t going to be as interested in your priorities as they are their own. Every nation has to check their own leaders, us included... everything between is just politicians buying time for themselves.
And can we quit with this calling people liberal shit…? starting to sound a little contrived.
Subject: calling it quits Date: Mar 16 2007 08:56:03 AM Author: hanson
The Iraqis are going to have to fend for themselves, massive carnage or not. We can't fix the problem. It's time to go.
This war is making us weak both through the loss of money and resources and through the loss of our standing. Since the rest of the world sees us as getting our asses kicked, we've not only lost respect as a moral force, through lying our way into the war in the first place, but lost respect as a military force. No one is going to fear us anymore, which is a problem.
Whether or not we're doing good things in Iraq now--and I believe we are trying to, or at least I believe the people on the ground like LCpl K are trying to (our political leaders at home are another matter)--I don't think they'll ever be able to do enough to completely to fix the situation. I think it's a nearly unsolvable problem.
In fact, I think the only way to really settle this mess would be a massive effort on our part, a mobilizing of troops and resources on a scale closer to World War II. To do this thing right, that's where we'd be headed, world war, into Iran, Syria, and eventually Pakistan. We would need to bring radical Islam to heel, truly crush it under our boot. I don't know about you, but I'm not up for that.
We need to think about what's good for us and stop worrying about what might happen if we leave, no matter how grim.
Subject: best healthcare in the middle east Date: Mar 16 2007 08:23:00 AM Author: DG
Having the best healthcare in the middle east (Israel excluded) is like winning the special olympics. I've been to a hospital in Egypt (probably the best system right now) and it was disgusting. And that was now, not 15 years ago when I'm sure it was much worse.
Subject: eesh Date: Mar 16 2007 07:17:25 AM Author: rob ignorant
first time in a long time an article made me feel sick.
Subject: some Date: Mar 16 2007 04:48:09 AM Author: more
insults in iraqi, but in enlgish phonetics:
tysich assen: "your ass is better" (to a female)
tysik assen: same but to a man
the english version could be : "my arse!"(when used as an exclamation)
Subject: Well let's see here... (pt. 3) Date: Mar 16 2007 02:36:30 AM Author: LCpl K.
Yeah sure, you can bring up Abu Graihb or the Haditha massacre but the thing is the military PUNISHES OUR OWN troops for committing war crimes. Where are all the men and women crying for justice against men who kidnap and behead people with rusty knives and glorify it in front of a video camera?
It sure isn't the liberals.
Subject: Well let's see here... (pt. 2) Date: Mar 16 2007 02:35:06 AM Author: LCpl K.
I agree, that Iraq probably isn't worth US commitment with men like me but if you wanna say the US is the reason why people are still bombing each other and somehow the Iraqis will get their shit together once we leave you are a liberal idiot.
I'm not sure who Dr. Hussein Ahmed is, but I do know a few Corpsmen and certified MD's who give free healthcare to Iraqis. Believe it or not, we are rebuilding that shithole and it's the Islamic idiots who are blowing it all up and making it a worse place.
I'm not someone who is pro-war either, but the simple argument against it that the US occupation in Iraq is the reason why people are dying over there is a gross left wing farce that has been pushed by dudes like faaack because well he's the same kinda guy who calls men in the military baby killers.
In fact, I'm pretty sure if we leave even more people will die in Iraq. There will be no more uncorrupt police force so the Sunnis and Shiites will be at a free for all killing each other resulting in mass genocide(s).
It's the saddest thing. Americans have become so anti-war for the wrong reasons. Not for the welfare or concern for our troops but because they are convinced the troops are lining up Iraqis and shooting them one by one like Nazis.
Yeah sure, you can bring up Abu Graihb or the Haditha massacre but the thing is the military PUNISHES OUR OWN troops for committing war crimes. Where are all the men and
Subject: Well let's see here... Date: Mar 16 2007 02:29:41 AM Author: LCpl K.
Yeah I'm pretty sure a guy like faack has been to Iraq.... Or better yet, he just bases his ENTIRE world view by books written by Chomsky. Who by the way, has never been to the Middle East but has made millions of dollars selling books about the area since 9-11.
Look, the invasion overthrew and destroyed Iraq's entire infrastructure and economy and so forth and so on... You are only gonna make the place even worse by letting the only stable super power in Iraq leave and let jihadists and Iraq nationalists who are brainwashed into thinking it's better to starve and remain in the 3rd world then let nations rebuild it.
I agree, that Iraq probably isn't worth US commitment with men like me but if you wanna say the US is the reason why people are still bombing each other and somehow the Iraqis will get their shit together once we leave you are a liberal idiot.
I'm not sure who Dr. Hussein Ahmed is, but I do know a few Corpsmen and certified MD's who give free healthcare to Iraqis. Believe it or not, we are rebuilding that shithole and it's the Islamic idiots who are blowing it all up and making it a worse place.
I'm not someone who is pro-war either, but the simple argument against it that the US occupation in Iraq is the reason why people are dying over there is a gross left wing farce that has been pushed by dudes like faaack because well he's the same kinda guy who calls men in the military baby killers.
Subject: IRAQ/N Date: Mar 16 2007 02:05:34 AM Author: 3507321C
FEEL A DRAFT ?
Subject: fuckin fuck Date: Mar 16 2007 12:20:00 AM Author: faaack
it really can't get too much worse than it seems to be now. somalia sounds like paradise compared to baghdad.
usa has gota get out and just apologize and try and do some damage control.
ok that made a big difference in the world
peace
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