
One night during the pre-production phase on A Clockwork Orange, Malcolm McDowell asked Stanley Kubrick why he was eating ice cream at the same time as his main course steak. “What’s the difference?” said Kubrick. “It’s all food. This is how Napoleon used to eat.”
Well that’s how McDowell tells it anyway. There are lots of near-mythical stories about Kubrick’s comprehensive research. That he was probably the most meticulous of film directors known to man is not open to debate, and Napoleon, the film he tried and failed to make for decades, is the best example of his attention to detail. Kubrick believed nobody had ever made a great historical film, and planned to change this with a three-hour epic, telling the story of the French emperor’s entire life.

Stanley K.
Kubrick thought Napoleon was the most interesting man to have ever walked the Earth. He called his life “an epic poem of action”, thought his relationship with Josephine was “one of the great obsessional passions of all time”, and said, “He was one of those rare men who move history and mold the destiny of their own times and of generations to come.” Getting to work on the film in the mid-60s, after 2001 was released, he sent an assistant around the world to literally follow in Napoleon’s footsteps (”Wherever Napoleon went, I want you to go,” he told him), even getting him to bring back samples of earth from Waterloo so he could match them for the screen.

He read hundreds of books on the man and broke the information down into categories “on everything from his food tastes to the weather on the day of a specific battle”. He gathered together 15,000 location scouting photos and 17,000 slides of Napoleonic imagery.

He would shoot the film in France and Italy, for their grand locations, and Yugoslavia, for their cheap armies. These were pre-CG days, and he arranged to borrow 40,000 Romanian infantry and 10,000 cavalry for the battles. “I wouldn’t want to fake it with fewer troops,” he said to an interviewer at the time, “because Napoleonic battles were out in the open, a vast tableau where the formations moved in an almost choreographic fashion. I want to capture this reality on film, and to do so it’s necessary to recreate all the conditions of the battle with painstaking accuracy.”

He wanted David Hemmings and Audrey Hepburn for the leads, with Alec Guinness and Laurence Olivier as supporting characters, but it all came crashing down when, partly as a result of another Napoleon film, Waterloo, being released in 1970, studios decided Kubrick’s dream was too financially risky. In the early 1980s, he still talked of wanting to make the film, but it wasn’t to be. Although he died in 1999, there’s a chance his vision may see the light of day; it’s been offered to the likes of Ridley Scott and Ang Lee.

You could make it yourself if you want, as every single bit of information pertaining to the project has recently been published in the form of a book called Stanley Kubrick’s Napoleon: The Greatest Movie Never Made. It’s ten books in one (literally, with nine books sitting inside one enormous carved out fake book), limited to 1,000 copies, and costs £450. All the location scouting photos, all the research pictures, costume tests, correspondence with historical experts, Kubrick’s script – everything’s in there. It’s amazing. I went to the HQ of the publisher Taschen; they let me touch it. They wouldn’t give me one for free for some reason.


Tony Frewin was Kubrick’s assistant from 1965 until the director died (and beyond). I called him up for a first-hand account of what it was like to be in Kubrick’s Napoleonic vortex.
Vice: So tell me how your life with Stanley began. You were an office boy for him, right?
Tony Frewin: Well, a runner. Office boy I think rather glorifies it.
How did you come across him in the first place?
I grew up in Borehamwood and he’d just moved in to MGM Studios down the road on the pre-production of 2001. My father had just quit the management at MGM but he’d gone to work for Stanley, and he just kept on at me, saying, “Come down, we need a runner on this.” I think I said something crass – in those days, in the mid-60s, we only ever went to see foreign language films, French films: Antonioni, Fellini, Bergman, Bunuel. Terribly snobbish. And I think I said something crass like, “Well if it was Jean-Luc Godard I might be interested.” Ah God. What a prick.
The pretentiousness of youth.
Oh absolutely. You squirm when you think of it. Oh God. Anyway, I went down one Sunday afternoon and my dad showed me into this office, which was absolutely full of books on fantastic art, surrealism, Dadaism, cosmology, flying saucers, and I thought, “Fuck, I wouldn’t mind working here just to have access to these books.” And then Stanley came in, who I thought was an office cleaner, with a baggy pair of trousers and a sports jacket with ink stains all over it. And we got chatting, for about two hours, and he said, “When can you start?” and I said, “When do you want me to?” and he said, “Seven o’clock tomorrow morning.” I said, “You’ve got a deal.” That was a week after my 17th birthday.

Mr Kubrick
What sort of running work was it? Anything that was required?
Yeah, and it was always like that. People used to say, “What’s the management structure like there?” at Hawk Films, or whatever we called ourselves, and I’d say, “Well, there’s Stanley at the top, and then everybody else.” There were no tiers of middle management, there was Stanley at the apex and all the rest of us on the bottom line. But it was a tremendous education working for Stanley; he was an intellectual Catherine Wheel of ideas and projects and ideas and enthusiasm. You really earnt your nickel working for Stanley, but as [Full Metal Jacket writer] Michael Herr says in that lovely little book [Kubrick]: nobody earnt their nickel more than Stanley himself. He lived by example, not by dictat.
When do you remember him first talking about Napoleon?
I remember when we were working on 2001, he had a sort of fascination with military figures, he was always very interested in Julius Caesar, particularly the invasion of Britain, but this ability to be a man of action, an intellectual, a strategist, with political objectives, and how you balanced all this and did what was right, I guess Napoleon grew out of that.
Did he relate to these types of people?
I don’t think he related to them, but he found them tremendously fascinating. How, ultimately, flaws in their character, particularly Napoleon, would bring them down. You see this in people in positions of public trust or power anyway; you know, Harriet Harman getting out after that car crash and imperiously saying, “I’m Harriet Harman. You know where to contact me.” You know. I mean, what a cunt.
The research and planning he did for Napoleon is near legendary.
Yeah. He did a lot on all his films, not least of which was on the abandoned project, Wartime Lies, about the Holocaust. We spent nearly two years, day in day out, researching that. And in that same period Spielberg got the idea for Schindler’s List, did the pre-production, made the film, released it, and we were still shuffling index cards.

So Schindler’s List just killed it for him?
Well, he’d always wanted to do a film about the Holocaust, but it presented certain problems. As Stanley said, if you really want to make an accurate film about the Holocaust, it’s got to be unwatchable. But he thought Schindler’s List was a hard act to follow, and it wasn’t the right time to do Wartime Lies. You know what [historian] Raul Hilberg said about Schindler’s List? He wrote this massive three-volume study of the destruction of the European Jews, quite witty and funny too, but he said Schindler’s List was a success story. A feelgood picture.
That’s one way of looking at it. In terms of Stanley’s fascination with Napoleon, what do you know of Malcolm McDowell’s story about him eating dessert and steak at the same time, because that’s how Napoleon used to eat?
I’d take that with a pinch of Bolivian marching powder.
Do you think the levels of research he carried out and his attention to the smallest detail was all part of the fun?
Well, it was a means to an end. He said, “God is in the detail.” But he knew when to cut his research, when to stop it. Barry Lyndon is a wonderful example of a historical film correctly done, right down to the lighting. Unlike all this crap you see on the BBC now. What he aimed for was for that it actually looked like at the time. It’s a wonderful film.
Do you think if he was making films today he would have utilised CGI?
Oh absolutely.
What about for extras? He’d hired 40,000 or so troops for Napoleon; do you think now he would have done that with CGI, or would he still have hired all those people for authenticity’s sake?
I think it would depend very much on the shot. Some shots you might need a couple of thousand, and then some CGI. Although I don’t think he would have automatically thought, Let’s CGI everything.
Was he enthusiastic about new technology in that area?
Oh absolutely, from the word go. He used to say anything that saved time was worth its weight in gold. The rest of us were sort of luddites, but he wasn’t. In 1980 he bought us all IBM green screens. These were the first PCs that were generally available, little 12″ screens. You didn’t even have a hard drive, you had two floppies. And Stanley said, “This is the future, this is what we’ll be using.” And I told him, “No, I like to type something and take out the piece of paper and see what’s on it,” and he said, “No, listen, you’ve got to get rid of that, this is the future, it’s arrived now.” He wasn’t at all conservative in that way; we had fax machines before anybody else did. People would say, “What the fuck do you want a fax machine for?” But he’d grab anything that saved time and made things look better.

How would you feel about Ridley Scott making the film?
Well, he’s a very competent director, but it would be a very different film from Stanley’s. There’s only one Stanley who could make a Stanley Kubrick film.
ALEX GODFREY











Reader Comments
February 10th, 2010
Fascinating stuff, such a shame he never got to make a movie out of it.
February 10th, 2010
yeah I was thinking, fucking Spielberg, I wish he hadn’t done Schindler’s so I could have seen Wartime Lies….
February 10th, 2010
Didn’t Louis Theroux already cover this for the telly? This has been dressed up to promote the Taschen special twat edition. Not news, barely interesting, and rather dull reading. Nice one Vice.
February 11th, 2010
above comment. its spot on.
i read loaded magazine recently; they did an article called the history of man through their inventions … it all led up to a sky + box!!!
publication standards are dropping. we’re not all as stupid as you think..
kudos on vbs.tv though, cant get enough of it.
February 11th, 2010
the article was really interesting, i read the whole thing and i enjoyed it. re it being part of a book launch / publicity for taschen: yeah kind of whatever. theres contradictions in everything, you cant kind of say that you have ads only to pay for the great content etc etc when it is a business, with target profit & growth requirements, and a lot of people at the top who want to make a lot of money out of it and the brands that are connected to it, so its not as naiive a situation as just about making the magazine, but at the same time the audience cant be as naiive as saying hey you’re not allowed to take the money we just want the morals and stuff like that its really complicated and part of being part of a grown up world i just like the article maybe you’re expecting too much of the world / this magazine for it to single-handedly revolutionise business and advertising and ultimately profit and content.
probably.
February 11th, 2010
I think it’s funny that you think that we’re trying to get in with Taschen. Maybe you’re not interested in an interview about Stanley Kubrick’s unmade epic masterpiece with his assistant, but I am. I guess I liked The Shining more than you.
February 11th, 2010
I think my point was that it had already been covered by Sky and Louis, and many, many months ago as well.
I preferred Barry Lyndon, by the way. EVERYBODY ALWAYS says, The Shining, Clockwork Orange or 2001 AD. Lyndon is the superior Kubrick vehicle-but then you probably haven’t notched that one up, have you?
February 11th, 2010
If you were really a pedant you’d know that not only was it Jon Ronson (not Louis Theroux), but also that he hardly touched on Napoleon in his documentary. Since then, because of this book, all this Napoleon material has been uncovered. That was why I wanted to do this interview. Nobody else in the world spoke to this guy for this, I found him and wanted to speak to him because he was there, he lived through this stuff. And if it’s a plug for the book, it’s because it’s an amazing book and I wanted to write about it. I approached them, not the other way round.
And yes Barry Lyndon is very good. Incidentally the natural lighting techniques he used on that film were techniques he was developing for Napoleon, but that didn’t happen of course. Lovely to meet you, Pedant.
February 11th, 2010
oops!
February 11th, 2010
Bang goes my internship on your magazine then!
February 12th, 2010
Fascinating article. How I wish the Kubrick Holocaust film had been made instead of the Spielberg one. I’d bet Frewin has a load more tales from working with SK as well
Pedant, you’re an idiot, and honestly not too much of a pedant either
February 12th, 2010
Aah, poor pedant. To paraphrase both Vice and the good Mr Frewin; ‘Ah God. What a prick. The pretentiousness of youth.’
Love Kubrick. Love this. Wish I could justify 450 quid for the book.
February 12th, 2010
Wow, this is amazing dude Very good stuff indeed.
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February 12th, 2010
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February 12th, 2010
I wouldn’t dismiss Ridley Scott as a possible director for this project, owing to his 1977 film, the Duellist. That film was set in the Napoleonic era and I believe it was historically accurate in its depiction of the french military. The problem with Hollywood with regard to filming history, is that they tend to allow too much creative license in the film narrative of historic events and rely less on historic accuracy.
February 12th, 2010
Great piece. Really evocative. There certainly was only one Stanley Kubrick.
February 12th, 2010
“They wouldn’t give me one for free for some reason.”
that’s because your magazine’s shit and you write like an adolescent
February 12th, 2010
James Cameron could do Kubrick’s “Napoleon.” Of course, everybody would be painted blue. And on a different planet and stuff…
February 13th, 2010
There’s always some dickhead slagging off a good article on here - pedant, at least you’ve admitted you are one though - this was great. Really enjoyed it. And yet another reason to hate Spielberg, always good. Good stuff.
Presumably Anderson (There will be Blood) wouldn’t have a chance at directing Napoleon? He’d be a better choice than Cameron, surely?
February 13th, 2010
viceuk
theres no way you liked the shining more than me.
forealliously.
i said i LIKED the fuckun artcle, i was talkin shit about those people always bangin on about ahh shit its the internet innit
February 15th, 2010
I liked the article as well, I was just being a not-very-clever-smartarse who was having a bad day and decided to get chippy with the wrong people. Can’t remember why I thought it was Louis Theroux when I knew deep deep down that it was Jon Ronson.I like Jon Ronson more than Louis Theroux. I like your magazine as well. Sorry for getting shitty with you, it is a good article and you should be rightly proud of it.
P.S. I’ve upped my meds!!
February 16th, 2010
Nice chatting with old Tony, but nothing really new revealed in this interview.
February 17th, 2010
Dogg on a hog, who cares if there’s possibly a thing for taschen? It was a good read and we get the site and mag for free, so you gotta expect some.
February 19th, 2010
A film on Napoleon is long overdue for Hollywood. I feel the same about a George Washington flick … now those really have potential to be blockbusters!
February 21st, 2010
The book is now worth $2,500 on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/3822830658/sr=/qid=/ref=olp_tab_new?ie=UTF8&coliid=&me=&qid=&sr=&seller=&colid=&condition=new
February 25th, 2010
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March 7th, 2010
nice article. really have no interest in kubrick (got bored a quarter through 2001 and quit watching) though this article has given me a bit more interest in the man. regardless, the article was interesting and even though it has been pointed out that the same subject was covered in other publications i never saw them. perhaps those publications are for the elite european few? or not? i don’t know and don’t care. the kubrick movie sounds like one i would have liked to see had it been made. history portrayed accurately is a rare gem in the modern, perhaps all, film world.
all the best,
a damn yank.
March 8th, 2010
A good article Alex but I wonder how many veritable Kubrick fans this article will reach…
I was lucky to have come across this piece in a related Google search but perhaps the general readership of this publication are more interested in reading articles like ‘Bukkake on my face,’ or ‘the Vice guide to giving head.’
July 30th, 2010
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